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Didn't I recently hear something about Google rebuilding Android to remove Java? Or am I totally off?
That would likely cost much more than this extortion, and still wouldn't save them.
FYI, Oracle is pushing this agenda to squeeze Java shops in other places as well. The tack they are taking is to define any computer that does "one specific thing" as an embedded device and ask you for $300+ per "device", plus some other lofty fees. ( http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/price-lists/java-... ) So, if you're using Java in a kiosk, ATM, media player, etc, they may be coming for you. My guess is t…
How is this any difference than installing Windows 10 on your Kiosk? You are paying for updates and support. You are free to use Linux and OpenJDK if you don't want to pay. Most shops I know of are using OpenJDK for all production deployments at this point unless you have a larger contract with Oracle.
Since Windows has been clear from the start that any commercial use requires a paid license, it's not similar in any way at all.
Could someone with a legal background please explain what Oracle would have to prove to win this?
If I understand correctly, Oracle would have to prove that Google's use of the Java API did not fall under the fair use exception in copyright law.
That is, if I write something, you can't publish it as your own. That's copyright. But there are exceptions within the law. One exception is fair use (others are criticism, parody, and there may be more, but fair use is the one in play in this case). Note that fair use was in the original trial, and the jury deadlocked on whether that was a valid defense for Google.
Below here, my understanding is less solid. But I think that one category of fair use is interoperability. That is, if I have a copyright interface (like, say, an API), you can copy that API in order to interface to something. To what degree, and what the boundaries are, I'm not sure.
Will miss groklaw badly. Followed the previous time almost entirely on groklaw.
What is Pamela Jones doing nowadays? I understand her decision to shutdown groklaw because of govt spying but I can't help but think that, overall, it was a net loss for everyone involved.
I miss PJ and Groklaw, too.
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If that is the level we are happy about you can already run with Kotlin today. Its not official Alphabet, but it is offical from the company that makes Android Studio and it is roughly to Java what Apples new language was to Objective-C. Unfortunately that still means that there is no good way to write cross-platform mobile apps.
There is never a good way to write cross-platform apps. Cross-platform programs are always inferior to solutions specifically designed for a particular use case (e.g. touch input + mobile device, pen input + tablet device).
FYI, Oracle is pushing this agenda to squeeze Java shops in other places as well. The tack they are taking is to define any computer that does "one specific thing" as an embedded device and ask you for $300+ per "device", plus some other lofty fees. ( http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/price-lists/java-... ) So, if you're using Java in a kiosk, ATM, media player, etc, they may be coming for you. My guess is t…
How would this affect me if i'm using Tomcat to run something like Solr? Am I suddenly on the hook to pay Oracle, even if I am using OpenJDK?
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Go and Java stdlib have very different opinions about the basic types, used by every app (like strings or maps, heck, even about concepts what is a class and class hierarchies, or how the stack is supposed to look like). So unless you want to wage a perpetual war at the border between your app and Android base libraries, forget Go, or about any language that does not run on JVM.
Without providing close to 100% interoperability, replacing Java with another language would be insane. All the open-source third party libraries for Android (and there's plenty, and many of them have become the de facto industry standard), all of that goes out of the window. I don't see how it could pan out
It's the high-level language and interfaces that would be hard. The real factor, though, is social given lock-in is in full effect here. Java was a bad, long-term bet given the Oracle acquisition.
Has Google's use of Java somehow damaged Oracle? Are they worse off now than they would be if Android were built on a different technology?
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How amazing would that have been? Zfs might have helped the world move forward a lot faster... Sigh... Let's give Oracle 10 years from now to fade from relevance as yet another fucked by cloud vendor and Google can then orchestrate a hostile takeover.
To speed that up, just buy Postgresql and use that to smother both Oracle DB and to some extent, mysql. Defence only helps that much, offence can do it a lot faster on their own DB territory.