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Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by yoha »

googamooga wrote: post #143
incepted wrote: post #134

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> I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poor people". He didn't mean to but this is the general reflection of the culture that permeates Apple as a company and the bubble in which they live. I remember once one of my wealthy friends saying "I don't understand why people live in one bedroom apartments". I stared at her for a solid minute to determine if she was joking but no, she was dead…

This story is old as the world. "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" - "Let them eat a cake", as great princess Marie Antoinette said upon learning that the peasants had no bread.

There is no support for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by junke »

googamooga wrote: post #143
incepted wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poor people". He didn't mean to but this is the general reflection of the culture that permeates Apple as a company and the bubble in which they live. I remember once one of my wealthy friends saying "I don't understand why people live in one bedroom apartments". I stared at her for a solid minute to determine if she was joking but no, she was dead…

This story is old as the world. "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" - "Let them eat a cake", as great princess Marie Antoinette said upon learning that the peasants had no bread.

There is no proof it was actually her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by FireBeyond »

wrong_variable wrote: post #33
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #12

I swear, if a modern tech company went up and said 'We think you should buy our product", someone would start yelling about how its insulting how a company is endorising capitalism and materialism. We've gone from "Won't somebody think of the children" to "Won't somebody think of every single possible group that is possible to somehow offend in some way"

No. What apple is saying today is something that it has always said - but its only recently that people in america are too poor to buy american products. I grew up around windows and linux, and whenever I tell that in a job interview - people think I am not being serious since "real developers" use mac. In my first software job - I was told to abandon my personal cheap linux and use the company's brand new expensive…

"but its only recently that people in america are too poor to buy american products"

American products, like Apple?

Or like other PC manufacturers, who are quite able to sell cheaper (yes, less featured, maybe less cool) computers at more affordable pricing?

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by rootusrootus »

Nullabillity wrote: post #114
slantyyz wrote: post #101

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>> Now the bloated upgrades, as I said, did also help forcing users to "want" the new one more. My experience after switching to Android is not that though. Most of the major releases, including the upcoming N, offer performance improvements. Granted, I don't know what that says about the code base, whether it was already so vastly inefficient that they find tons of room for improvements or whatnot, but it's definite…

Google wins when you upgrade Android, Apple wins when you buy a new iDevice. The different priorities shouldn't be surprising at all.

That's irony, since Apple has a ~80% adoption rate for iOS 9 and Google has an adoption rate of I long ago switched away from iPhones to Android devices, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that Apple's public commitment to privacy and Android's recent security woes didn't make me think twice about what the next phone in my pocket will be. I look at the system updates page on my Moto X longingly, but it still says February 1st is the most recent update available. Not sure how long I'll have to wait but I hope I don't get exploited in the meantime.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by baobrien »

cheald wrote: post #107
paulmd wrote: post #89

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Yup. Clock-for-clock, Skylake is about 10-20% faster than Sandy Bridge, IPC improvements have been 4 GHz, which is extremely reasonable, then it keeps up just fine with a Skylake in most tasks. CPU performance is largely "good enough" for most users. OS bloat has finally stopped: Win8.1 is just as fast as Win7 (and is more stable) and Win10 is faster and skinnier. Most users don't do anything intensive and probably w…

> Yup. Clock-for-clock, Skylake is about 10-20% faster than Sandy Bridge Sorry, can you elaborate on this? Is Skylake somehow performing multiple instructions per core per clock cycle somehow?

High end chips have been doing multiple instruction per clock for a while now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superscalar_processor

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by markatkinson »

paperpunk wrote: post #132
markatkinson wrote: post #118

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Agreed that the "LOL poor people" is probably not the intention however I am sure the internet will have a field day with it. With that in mind it will likely generate some really interesting discussions around the quality and longevity of Apples products. Imho smart phone tech is plateauing and I get the feeling Apple is going to struggle more and more to justify the prices they charge for iPhones and other products…

Couldn't you make the opposite argument from the same starting point? That as the technology plateaus, and the upgrade cycle becomes longer, there's much more reason to spend more on a handset because you're not going to feel like replacing it a year later? Spending a bit more doesn't seem like an issue for something that will last 4/5 years. Your friend may say spending more than an R3500 is an unnecessary luxury on…

That is a valid point, but if I can get a good Android phone that lasts half as long for a quarter of the price then I am afraid I am going with the Android. But really now I am just throwing around numbers with no real experience of how long this android phone will last (Moto G 3rd Gen, so far so good).

Something I also found was during my transition I had two Android phones in the space of 3 months, (I used a friends spare while I replaced my iPhone), and transitioning from the one to the other was incredibly friction-less. I mean it actually made me pause and "wow" a bit.

I suppose my argument was more that the quality gap of iPhone to many Android phones has closed a hell of a lot over the last few years, and I am just not sure I can justify paying so much more for an iPhone anymore. Especially as the ZAR weakens against the USD.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by slantyyz »

paulmd wrote: post #148
slantyyz wrote: post #137

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Here's my experience with 27" 4K monitors. I originally planned on getting a single 32" 4K IPS monitor, but got tired of waiting for it to come out in Canada. I test drove a few smaller 28 4K screens in the local computer store and realized that I could easily live with 1:1 on a 28". I ended up getting a Dell 27" 4K monitor because I wanted an IPS panel. I realize I'm in a very small minority of users who can use 4K…

I tried a 28" (TN) 4K, an Acer B286HK. Horrible ghosting and capacitor whine - if I had Wikipedia open you could hear the capacitors scream from across the room, and lines would blur into each other while scrolling. I eventually replaced it with a Dell P2715Q (IPS) too, and that's a really great monitor. All in all though I would have been better off going 1440p at 27". I need some DPI scaling that probably gets me b…

I do agree that 1440p is probably best for most people. Most of the people who see my setup just ask "How the hell do you do that?"

I'm one of those people who has a bad habit of having 50 windows open at any given time. Sure I could change my habit, as I actually "only" need tiles of about 10 screens at any given time, but so far, having two 27" 4K monitors side by side has improved my productivity significantly.

I originally had them stacked vertically, but I changed the orientation to side by side landscape when I changed desks, and I found the new wide orientation works even better for me. Having needed reading glasses for the past few years also helps, because the glasses I have magnify the screens a little bit too, so it helps.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by IanCal »

FireBeyond wrote: post #150
hellbanner wrote: post #105

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$200? That's a lot of money for many people.

As opposed to what? It's still less than half the price of a usable iPad (I know the Mini 2 is $270, but let's not pretend they're comparable), let alone Mac.

I think that's in response to the statement:

> anyone who says they can't scrape up $200 if they had to, is lying to you.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by craigmccaskill »

I'm using a ~5 year old PC I built myself and it still outperforms the hardware in any available mac product (desktop, tablet or laptop) that isn't a Mac Pro (starting price $2999,00).

I don't have a compelling reason to upgrade until the launch of VR headsets.

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