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Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by ant6n » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 4:33 PM UTC

slantyyz wrote: post #69

pjc50 wrote: post #64

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Compelling reason why I had to upgrade my iPhone 3G, iPhone 4 and original iPad after less than 3 years? Painfully slow and unusable. Exactly. Upgrading is a cost; not just money but also time. I upgraded my 1st gen iPad's OS exactly once (5 -> 6 I think) and it was a completely horrendous experience, involving PC iTunes. The main driver of PC upgrades, apart from improved games, is bloat and the slow deterioration o…

I still have all three of those iOS devices (and my wife's now retired 4S) mentioned in my original post. The saddest thing? The iPhone 4 has only one easy job to do. Play music in my bedroom. It can't even do that reliably. My iPhone 3G (now a desk clock) is more stable than the 4. There's a reason I left iOS for Android on the phone side and Windows on the tablet side. I've been burned enough that I don't care to b…

The hardware of the Iphone is nice. I'd like it but with in an Android OS (and an MicroSD card slot). But then again, I wouldn't be willing for pay for that, so I'll continue using my used LG3 I picked up for like 200$.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by 21 » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 4:35 PM UTC

specialp wrote: post #79

It is ironic that Apple is mentioning this as I believe this is going to spell the end of their era of massive profits. Phones now are getting to the state where much like PCs, the older phone is good enough, and the new phone is not substantially better. There will always be people buying a phone for .2ghz more CPU or some slightly higher res screen, but the days of rapid evolution of mobile devices are over, and Ap…

A large part of iPhone's market is as a status symbol. As the saying goes, the only thing worse than not having an iPhone is having last year's one.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by googamooga » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 4:39 PM UTC

incepted wrote: post #134

mikehearn wrote: post #36

I interpreted that comment as a jab at the PC industry. The implication being that in the last 5+ years the PC industry has failed to offer 600 million users a compelling reason to upgrade. Isn't that the correct interpretation, considering the whole point of bringing that up is because they're positioning a new device intended to replace the PC? I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poo…

> I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poor people". He didn't mean to but this is the general reflection of the culture that permeates Apple as a company and the bubble in which they live. I remember once one of my wealthy friends saying "I don't understand why people live in one bedroom apartments". I stared at her for a solid minute to determine if she was joking but no, she was dead…

This story is old as the world. "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" - "Let them eat a cake", as great princess Marie Antoinette said upon learning that the peasants had no bread.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by CaptSpify » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 4:39 PM UTC

paperpunk wrote: post #132

markatkinson wrote: post #118

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Agreed that the "LOL poor people" is probably not the intention however I am sure the internet will have a field day with it. With that in mind it will likely generate some really interesting discussions around the quality and longevity of Apples products. Imho smart phone tech is plateauing and I get the feeling Apple is going to struggle more and more to justify the prices they charge for iPhones and other products…

Couldn't you make the opposite argument from the same starting point? That as the technology plateaus, and the upgrade cycle becomes longer, there's much more reason to spend more on a handset because you're not going to feel like replacing it a year later? Spending a bit more doesn't seem like an issue for something that will last 4/5 years. Your friend may say spending more than an R3500 is an unnecessary luxury on…

Your assuming that the item your spending more on is worth more. It's really hard to qualify on iPhone vs Android, but my super-simplified calculation is:

iPhone = 4 stars, Android = 4 stars

If the Android is $200, and the iPhone is $400, I'm gonna go with the Android

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by FussyZeus » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 4:39 PM UTC

incepted wrote: post #134

mikehearn wrote: post #36

I interpreted that comment as a jab at the PC industry. The implication being that in the last 5+ years the PC industry has failed to offer 600 million users a compelling reason to upgrade. Isn't that the correct interpretation, considering the whole point of bringing that up is because they're positioning a new device intended to replace the PC? I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poo…

> I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poor people". He didn't mean to but this is the general reflection of the culture that permeates Apple as a company and the bubble in which they live. I remember once one of my wealthy friends saying "I don't understand why people live in one bedroom apartments". I stared at her for a solid minute to determine if she was joking but no, she was dead…

I wouldn't say it's a bubble so much as they just aren't motivated to consider those viewpoints. Apple's products are high cost and high status, they have no reason to consider the lower end of the economic spectrum; that's not their market. It would be like Rolls Royce running radio ads in rural Kentucky. Yeah, many people there would probably like one, but they can't get one.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by Tiktaalik » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 4:41 PM UTC

jxy wrote: post #136

sudosushi wrote: post #3

As someone sitting at a nearly 5 year old Macbook Pro, I took the comment as an off hand throwaway. I understand not liking the comment, but this isn't news. A company thinks everyone should be using the latest of their products. Oh no.

As someone typing on a 2011 Macbook Air, I really don't like that comment. What's wrong with using a 5 year old computer? Fortunately their hardwares still last for you and me. I had to send in mine for repair twice. Once for the keyboard and the other for the touchpad. If the company is pushing people to dump their 5 year old hardware, I'm going to be a little nervous to buy their new product.

This was my immediate thought while watching the press conference to. It sounded more a simple tone deaf statement. I buy Apple hardware because I think it's really high quality and I can expect it to last. I was troubled that maybe Apple doesn't align with my beliefs.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by Tactic » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 4:42 PM UTC

dpweb wrote: post #75

mikehearn wrote: post #36

I interpreted that comment as a jab at the PC industry. The implication being that in the last 5+ years the PC industry has failed to offer 600 million users a compelling reason to upgrade. Isn't that the correct interpretation, considering the whole point of bringing that up is because they're positioning a new device intended to replace the PC? I seriously doubt it's intended to mean (to quote the article) "LOL poo…

Just bought a like-new PC on ebay for $200. It's not about being poor because anyone who says they can't scrape up $200 if they had to, is lying to you. It's the shocking fact that (especially if cash strapped) you can live your life, without constantly buying more and newer things. Of course Apple's stance is, you must buy our new products every year. But I can get on Facebook and email and whatever else on my $200…

As someone that has lived on the street I can tell you that you are wrong about the $200. Don't read your life into others.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by paulmd » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 4:44 PM UTC

slantyyz wrote: post #137

paulmd wrote: post #113

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4K monitors are a little marginal. 27" is really too small, most people need some DPI enlargement to feel comfortable. The bigger panels increase significantly in price, but I think 32-36" would probably be about right in terms of ppi. 27" 1440P monitors are fantastic though, they strike the perfect balance between resolution, size, and price. If you're used to 22-24" monitors I really encourage you to give it a try,…

Here's my experience with 27" 4K monitors. I originally planned on getting a single 32" 4K IPS monitor, but got tired of waiting for it to come out in Canada. I test drove a few smaller 28 4K screens in the local computer store and realized that I could easily live with 1:1 on a 28". I ended up getting a Dell 27" 4K monitor because I wanted an IPS panel. I realize I'm in a very small minority of users who can use 4K…

I tried a 28" (TN) 4K, an Acer B286HK. Horrible ghosting and capacitor whine - if I had Wikipedia open you could hear the capacitors scream from across the room, and lines would blur into each other while scrolling. I eventually replaced it with a Dell P2715Q (IPS) too, and that's a really great monitor.

All in all though I would have been better off going 1440p at 27". I need some DPI scaling that probably gets me back to 1440p anyway, and it would be easier to drive in video games.

So that's what I recommend now based on personal experience. YMMV, but the Crossover 2795QHD seems ideal for productivity work. The Acer XB270HU or XF270HU are ideal for gaming, but adaptive sync is unnecessary for productivity so you might as well get a Crossover instead.

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by reacweb » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 4:44 PM UTC

I have a HP Pavilion Elite m9458fr bought in july 2009 for 416€ (on eBay hp_marketplace_fr). I only need a silent reliable computer with a reasonably fast CPU for web development on Linux. I have no need for beefy GPU, I just need to connect 2 displays (23" and 19"). I would like to replace it in order to have USB3 connectors and SATA III HD. I do not find anything on the market for reasonable price. Should I buy a ultra-HD laptop with a magnifying lens ?

Re: Dear Apple, there’s nothing ‘really sad’ about using a 5-year-old PC

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Post by FireBeyond » Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 4:45 PM UTC

hellbanner wrote: post #105

dpweb wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just bought a like-new PC on ebay for $200. It's not about being poor because anyone who says they can't scrape up $200 if they had to, is lying to you. It's the shocking fact that (especially if cash strapped) you can live your life, without constantly buying more and newer things. Of course Apple's stance is, you must buy our new products every year. But I can get on Facebook and email and whatever else on my $200…

$200? That's a lot of money for many people.

As opposed to what? It's still less than half the price of a usable iPad (I know the Mini 2 is $270, but let's not pretend they're comparable), let alone Mac.