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Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by pmarreck »

ferentchak wrote: post #169
dageshi wrote: post #13

Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

It's the normal thing to do in the States too. Quote stolen from another thread: "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age of beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick,…

and with that, I suddenly regret not reading me some Ayn Rand

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by mortehu »

SCAQTony wrote: post #36

I am not a sociologist, political scientist, or an economist. It appears that China is too big to govern and has become a diseconomy of scale. China has 160 cities with over 1-million people in them (US has 10 cities) and I think it's a miracle that the lights still work and they have running water. When you double the size of a plane it it becomes 4-times heavier (Observe what it takes to fly a B-52). The PRC seems…

> Observe what it takes to fly a B-52

Not that it's your main point, but I think B-52 has 8 engines because they're an old design. They're about 10,000 lbf each, while the engines in new planes provide more than five times the thrust, so two 787 engines are stronger than ten B-52 engines.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by jbm »

refurb wrote: post #94
Mikeb85 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2, 3 and 5 are illegal in Canada (disclosing state secrets, inciting ethnic hatred/violence, and slander).

That's a generous reading of those points. You're not including everything. #2 - endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests [national honor? not illegal in Canada] #3 - undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits [going against ethnic habits? not illegal in Canada] #5 - insulting or slandering others, infringing upon the legitimate rights of others [I'll give you…

> #3 - undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits [going against ethnic habits? not illegal in Canada]

Undermining national unity is not illegal in Canada - even to the point where a political party was advocating the separation of Quebec (BQ) and a Bloc Quebecois MP tried to incite members of the Canadian Forces to desert and join a possible Quebec military if Quebec separated from Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marc_Jacob

"Jacob faced accusations that he advised Quebec members of the Canadian Forces to join a Quebec army if there was a winning vote for Quebec sovereignty in the 1995 Quebec referendum. The prevailing Liberal government decided to investigate these remarks, while the Reform Party demanded Jacob be charged with sedition.[2]"

In the end he wasn't charged with anything

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by tootie »

ferentchak wrote: post #169
dageshi wrote: post #13

Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

It's the normal thing to do in the States too. Quote stolen from another thread: "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age of beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick,…

I like that you said you were stealing from another thread and then quoted a book. A book that isn't evidence of your assertion.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by sharetea »

tootie wrote: post #174
ferentchak wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the normal thing to do in the States too. Quote stolen from another thread: "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age of beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick,…

I like that you said you were stealing from another thread and then quoted a book. A book that isn't evidence of your assertion.

yeah I thought about rebuking his point, but someone who quotes fiction texts not from 'another thread', but from a book written in 1957 that was talking more about socialism and fascism in Hitler's Germany and Russia, and proceeds to copy and paste an entire paragraph in order to support his point about US in 2016 Well, that's some sort of superpower right there.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by [deleted] »

pmarreck wrote: post #171
ferentchak wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the normal thing to do in the States too. Quote stolen from another thread: "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age of beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick,…

and with that, I suddenly regret not reading me some Ayn Rand

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Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by empath75 »

pmarreck wrote: post #171
ferentchak wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the normal thing to do in the States too. Quote stolen from another thread: "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age of beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick,…

and with that, I suddenly regret not reading me some Ayn Rand

No, you're better off.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by x5n1 »

rdlecler1 wrote: post #137

Any non-Chinese company that insists on tying its fortune to the Chinese market is taking on tremendous risk. The goal posts are always changing , you need to constantly worry about IP theft, you can easily get on the wrong side of the government, and they strongly protect local interests. Investment is welcome, but as soon as you actually start making a lot of money and recouping your investment some barrier of sort…

Chinese don't care about the global Capitalist class. Chinese care about China. It's the way it should be. South Koreans also don't care about the foreign Capitalist class and neither do the Japanese. The only reason they allow foreign investment is for market development and perhaps to get some corporate know-how and secrets.

Chinese don't need the money, most Chinese can get the loans from the government based on half-lies according to a Chinese friend of mine.

In America the Capitalist class also plays by its own rules. They will steal an idea, pump it with money, then dump it on the public... and walk away with billions. While the product lasts maybe a year or two. Bad CEOs are blamed and the cycle repeats itself. US government steals secrets and gives them to major corporations, can be proven, etc.

Honestly, people are simply rooting for their own team. The rules that they play with always favor some party which has power in whatever country. If they don't the country is corrupt and not prospering.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by mehwoot »

rorykoehler wrote: post #82
bittercynic wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10 minutes seems like a pretty substantial amount of time to me.

Actually you are wasting 50 minutes in this scenario as you could have used the time not driving yourself to do something productive/enjoyable.

Kind of. I mean theoretically you could say the same about a train, but I still see most of the time I spend on a train as wasted even though I don't have to drive the thing.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by x5n1 »

ferentchak wrote: post #169
dageshi wrote: post #13

Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

It's the normal thing to do in the States too. Quote stolen from another thread: "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age of beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick,…

American business mantra: better to ask for forgiveness after committing the crime, then to ask for permission before. I don't know any major business who does not follow this.
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