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Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

This isn't exclusive to China. Many western countries have followed suit.

References?

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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This is pure insanity: "Quartz contacted the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology from Hong Kong asking for further clarification on how the rules would work, but the ministry said it could only reply to faxed questions that came from a reporter with a mainland press card."

The government censor in New Zealand wants web sites to submit their material, item by item, to the censor's office for approval.

Australia and the UK already have firewalls that filter all Internet traffic which "my bad, so sorry" seem to keep "accidentally" including all sorts of sites their backing legislation doesn't justify (at least as far as anyone can tell - the Australian government list is confidential). The UK is trying to roll out laws requiring all citizens to register with the government to view R18 material.

China is just playing catch-up at this point.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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That's a generous reading of those points. You're not including everything. #2 - endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests [national honor? not illegal in Canada] #3 - undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits [going against ethnic habits? not illegal in Canada] #5 - insulting or slandering others, infringing upon the legitimate rights of others [I'll give you…

> You're not including everything. And you're not including the first words of each bullet point, which clearly ARE illegal here. - disclosing state secrets, endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests Illegal, possibly illegal, and while we don't have a concept of national 'honor', going against national interests can be illegal, depending on context. - inciting ethnic hatred or ethnic dis…

I think you missed my point. I was highlighting the parts you left out. You said "Point #3 is illegal in Canada" when in fact, it isn't. Only part of it is.

I'm familiar with common law and I wouldn't compare common law in Canada will the law in China.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Harsh enforcement also causes their revenue to drop. Several of the towns which depended upon speed traps for their funding found out that the Internet is a good resource for letting people know to avoid an area. This will be interesting when self-driving cars don't ever disobey traffic laws.

Hadn't thought about this before your comment, but this could be a reason for continuing to drive themselves. If they are willing to exceed the speed limit, they can get to their destination faster than a self driving car with speed limit enforced by software.

Self-driving cars can go faster more safely; presumably speed limits would eventually increase.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Say you are driving 10 mph over the speed limit on a 60 mph highway for an hour, the maximum time savings is less than 10 minutes out of an hour. If the trip is shorter or you have stop, turns, traffic, the savings are even less. So in most cases except long distance drives, the savings are minimal. It is just that we are all impatient.

10 minutes seems like a pretty substantial amount of time to me.

Unless I was under some big time crunch, I would gladly trade that amount of time for the luxury of being driven on a long roadtrip.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

echoing what vpalan2 said below:

"If I wanted to do massive, irreparable harm to China, this is the law I would pass. And yet, they have done this willingly to themselves, without hesitation or incident."

These aren't the smart engineering politicians with a 10 year view China has foisted its fable onto the world. These are the corrupt paranoid politicians who know they are one mass protest away from having all their families disposed. These are fat and lazy billionnaires who have siphoned off local schools, hospitals, people, environments, and is about to abscond with riches. These are the people that see their debt-fueled economy collapsing, and know there's no more workers to be paid in pennies to be exploited.

"In total, 106 members of China's National People's Congress and 97 members of Chinese People’s Political Consultative Congress, are on Hurun's China Rich List. Their combined wealth hits $463.8 billion. By comparison, the median wealth of American politicians was just over $1 million in 2013, according to CNN Money. " http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-politicians-are-rich-...

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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This is pure insanity: "Quartz contacted the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology from Hong Kong asking for further clarification on how the rules would work, but the ministry said it could only reply to faxed questions that came from a reporter with a mainland press card."

The government censor in New Zealand wants web sites to submit their material, item by item, to the censor's office for approval. Australia and the UK already have firewalls that filter all Internet traffic which "my bad, so sorry" seem to keep "accidentally" including all sorts of sites their backing legislation doesn't justify (at least as far as anyone can tell - the Australian government list is confidential). Th…

Their 'great firewall' is incredibly sophisticated and has lead to domestic companies like Baidu filling in gaps left by foreign companies.

Weirdly, I think its helped China become a bigger power.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

#119

This is pure insanity: "Quartz contacted the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology from Hong Kong asking for further clarification on how the rules would work, but the ministry said it could only reply to faxed questions that came from a reporter with a mainland press card."

The government censor in New Zealand wants web sites to submit their material, item by item, to the censor's office for approval. Australia and the UK already have firewalls that filter all Internet traffic which "my bad, so sorry" seem to keep "accidentally" including all sorts of sites their backing legislation doesn't justify (at least as far as anyone can tell - the Australian government list is confidential). Th…

China is definitely the leader on the matter. Not a follower.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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post #13

Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

Selective enforcement of laws in very common in many countries. If they enforce is too harshly then people will protest. For example exceeding the speed limit while driving.

"selective enforcement" is an interesting concept...

I have a neighbor (lives across the lake from me) who is a retired police officer...23 years on the job...

I asked him once if there was any truth to the rumor that traffic cops had to meet a quota...

He said, "Not in so many words...every now and then the Captain, during the shift briefing would say, "Boys, I need to see some paper" and we all knew what he meant."

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