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What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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Re: What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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So it's not the act that's harassment, it's the relative level of attractiveness of the person committing the act. Interesting.

You are either being willfully ignorant or a troll (or both). Nowhere did I even intimate that attractiveness has anything to do with anything. > I'm saying continued unwanted advances = harassment

Reciprocation will be more likely if the person making the advance is more attractive relative to target of the advance. I'm sure there is a mathematical formula for this.

Re: What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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HR ONLY EXISTS TO PROTECT THE COMPANY. They are not there for you or to support you or to even support the truth. They will almost always without fail support the manager over the IC. I feel like we shouldn't let people graduate college until they know this. It sucks, but it's the truth.

Re: What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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1. The point is that she must have felt very uncomfortable, despite hiding her discomfort behind a tough attitude. The fact that she was able to cope with the way she was treated doesn't mean she didn't suffer and was not a victim of sexual harassment. 2. They are the examples provided by the dictionary to get the point across. Notice how they are inside the quotation marks.

> she must have This is called "projecting".

Since you are just cherry-picking, I realize now you aren't actually interested in debate. One wonders why you even bothered posting your original comment.

Re: What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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It does happen and I've seen it, I had to take my own manager to one side when I was team leader and explain to him his behaviour was unacceptable and he'd likely end up with an HR complaint. In that case it was jokes that I don't think had any malice but would definitely look bad in front of HR.

I think this is one of the most useful things a male team member can do to create a positive atmosphere and fight back against this nonsense. Speak up! Diffuse situations in the moment when you can, provide private feedback when needed, make corporate complaints when necessary.

He was a good manager, he also had a really twisted and dark sense of humour which was fine with me since I did as well but you have to remember that what's funny to you might not be to someone else sometimes.

Re: What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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post #230

As somebody that has endured the same the other way round - being hit on by many (even married) female colleagues, HR girls, having a female manager attempting to invite me to her room in the hotel, girls repeatedly stalking me at my apartment, e.g. after I performed on a piano at a party, even just meeting random girls that would dump their boyfriends on the spot, completely shaking with excitement (me and her BF ju…

> if I wrote a blog about my experiences I'd become a laughing stock of the Internet

So write a blog post on what lead you to such abundance :)

Re: What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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post #105

Office environments today are like minefields. A man never knows when his next step, word, or simple action will be misconstrued as harassment. Hold a door? Thats harassment. Wink ;-) in an email or IM? Thats harassment. Tell an off-color joke? Thats harassment. Complement female coworkers outfit? Thats harassment. Stand too close in an elevator or inline at the canteen? Thats harassment. Getting caught looking looki…

Do you, by any chance, often use the word "SJW" and not in an ironic way?

Re: What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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post #140

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I am member of a minority, and have had more than one chance to go to the HR to report "being racially abused" and present the narrative in such a way that anyone would be convinced it was horrible. Firstly, what happened to her is definitely misconduct, but not sexual harassment. I get the impression that the "victim" here is trying to take advantage of the situation. She never asks the inappropriate person to stop…

> Firstly, what happened to her is definitely misconduct, but not sexual harassment. I get the impression that the "victim" here is trying to take advantage of the situation. She never asks the inappropriate person to stop here, instead goes to HR. I mean just in plain words "Please don't, this is inappropriate." would stop most such behavior from happening again in huge majority of cases. 1. Your implicit dismissal…

1. Parent comment's dismissal is based upon details revealed in the article, or rather details that weren't revealed. He suspects that, since the victim escalated immediately, the victim may not have wanted a peaceful resolution. We don't have the full picture, but what we have suggests that there were other ways to handle it.

2. Yes, I expect you to say that you're upset by the situation. I cannot read your mind; most people can't read your mind either, and many of them don't know the line between a 'joke' and harassment. Telling someone you don't like what they're doing is a crucial step, because otherwise they may assume nothing is wrong. We want the boss to learn that his joke is not funny, and to do that sometimes you have to say it to his face.

3. Neither side is communicating well, which is indeed why HR exists. It's also possible that the boss would've continued after being told explicitly to stop. This does not mean you reach for HR's hotline the moment something goes wrong. You don't respond to a slap by pulling a knife, and you don't respond to a knife with a nuke--at least, not without examining other options.

Re: What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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post #188

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> but the fact that he stubbornly continued them for few days without noticing that the girl is completely turned off and freaked out by him. She says she laughed at the sexual comments made by her manager. > I remember thinking to myself, “Did I do something to encourage this kind of behaviour?” I had uncomfortably laughed at some of the sexual comments my manager had made because I didn’t know how else to react as…

Are you really unable to tell when someone is uncomfortably laughing (her words) at some silly remark because everybody around is laughing too versus actually enjoying the joke? Are you really unable to tell when someone doesn't like your company?

It's possible. I have trouble with it.

Which is, incidentally, why I try to avoid dirty jokes until I know my present company likes dirty jokes. This manager may not have figured that out.

Re: What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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post #11

I'm not going to speak directly regarding the way this individual handled this situation, but in general, if you experience any form of sexual harassment I highly recommend you speak with HR immediately following the incident. Don't allow it to escalate, things can only get worse. Even if it's your first day on the job, you should never feel speaking to HR regarding an incident is a bad idea.

HR is the company's (i.e. directors'/owners') legal & policy counsel; wouldn't talking to a lawyer be the more sensible option?

Since when is HR the same as corporate legal?

Re: What I learnt from being sexually harassed at Google

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post #88

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I have to write this comment pretty carefully to avoid vindicating the offender or blaming the victim. It seems to me like the victim wasn't making it clear that she was uncomfortable (this is not her fault), and perhaps the offender was picking up on signals that weren't there. The situation needed to be fixed, but the behaviour mentioned in the article could have been more flirtatious than forced. A zero tolerance…

> It seems to me like the victim wasn't making it clear that she was uncomfortable The default position should be to assume that everybody is uncomfortable with everything unless otherwise stated. It's like a good firewall policy - default block all and then explicitly allow.

This fails for the same reason "stranger danger" fails; in order to get anything done, you must connect on a certain level.

To use your analgoy, you could run a server entirely via port 22. But it can't host a webpage, run game servers, or do much of anything else if it only accepts SSH via 22.

The process of socializing is kind of like vetting another server to see if you can trust them enough to use FTP or whatever. Sometimes, yeah, they screw with you; but not always. And the benefits once you do find someone trustworthy are greater than the chance of a bad actor.

Now, whether or not one should trust coworkers, and how much, is a personal question. You gotta decide that on your own.

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