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In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Brandishing a weapon (carrying it openly and aggressively) will get your permit revoked in most states. Showing it, waving it, even mentioning that you are carrying are all classed as brandishing. The accusation of brandishing is often enough to lose the permit. So the only sure way to carry is concealed. And never mention that you are doing it.

I'm not up on this area of law, as it's been over a decade since I've owned a gun. Are you saying that carrying/showing/mentioning (let's say non-aggressively) a gun on your own private property can be classified as brandishing? I've never heard that, but I really don't know. EDIT: Also, what permit are you talking about? I don't know how things are now, but when I was growing up in AL (~20 years ago), you didn't nee…

Every state does it differently. Some allow open carry, but have a permit for concealed. Some allow concealed unrestricted, but a permit for open. Iowa requires a permit to carry in any way.

I have 3 permits, first Iowa and then two more to cover (most) of the other states. Still can't carry in Illinois or the People's Republic of California.

Not sure about brandishing vs private property. I'd guess anywhere you need a permit, you could be accused of brandishing.

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Obviously Ian was not thinking rationally, which is precisely why his tweets needed -- and would have received -- attention. He was part of this community. He was in crisis and it was obvious. People would have wanted to help. You don't talk someone down from a ledge by turning your back on them. That's all I'll say on the matter.

> Obviously Ian was not thinking rationally, which is precisely why the post about his tweets needed -- and would have received -- attention. You don't know that for sure so you can't make the link. All I note is that you didn't do anything when it mattered and now you're quick with the knife of blame. > He was part of this community. So are you, and yet, if you posted a bunch of stuff on Twitter about how you were g…

Cold as the Netherlands, bro. You're fucking up Ian in defense of Dan. Who runs this place?

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I have a friend in the NYPD. One of the tips he gave me is never empty your pockets if asked to by the police if you are carrying contraband. He said you should just point to the pocket that contains said contraband and tell them that it's in there.

So the cop empties your pocket and you get arrested. Same result as far as I can tell.

In NYC, mere possession of less than 25g of marijuana is just a ticket (first offense, anyway). Displaying it in public can get you actually arrested versus just being issued a summons. While again, for a first offense, one can avoid any real long lasting consequences, the latter situation can be very expensive once you factor in lawyer fees. The former will cost you at most about $150.

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I've seen your post go through substantial edits, so I'm a little wary about replying at all--it might change significantly again. That said... No, I'm not sarcastic. Bringing out a gun to show people you'll shoot them over possessions is a serious overreaction. Your story seems to describe a childhood event, and to be honest it sounds like a child's interpretation of the events: things are cast in black-and-white te…

Yeah, sorry, remembering one event led to other memories bubbling up after the initial post. The only substantial edit was to add the paragraph highlighting the point about perspective, not knowing others' intentions – I think. I haven't edited it since your reply, FWIW. Anyway, I think I hear what you're saying. Some of it is contextual though, right? If I were to walk up to one of my neighbors in my little suburban…

Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate it. I'm always a little wary of big edits on sites that don't show an edit history. (HN devs, why not??)

I agree that context matters. You're describing a different time and place, pretty far removed from the vast majority of Americans now: rural life, probably a couple decades ago.

In 2010, over 80% of us lived in cities. Six years ago, less than one in five of us lived in rural America--now I'm quite sure it's even fewer. The context of "let's walk around with guns" is basically missing from the vast, vast majority of our lives.

Like you said, living in a city, you'd be sketched out if you saw someone with a gun. And, indeed, we see this play out again and again. People going into restaurants with AR-15s, people wandering around neighborhoods with those big guns on their shoulders. Pretty consistently, someone calls the cops, because, in context of "I live in a city" that applies to 80% of us, this is sketchy behavior.

This is what gets me about the people that want to import gun attitudes from another time and place--from what is basically a distant and foreign culture for most of us--into modern city life.

As a thought experiment, let's not say "the rural American landowners who wrote the constitution 250 years ago felt a certain way about guns, so let's keep on going with that". Let's start from "most of us live in cities, what do we want city life to be like?" And it sounds like neither you nor I particularly want to see random people walking around with guns.

Heh, as a good for-example, yesterday I was downtown, at lunchtime, in a crowded part of the downtown area. Lots of food cards, hundreds of people gathered around. Out of nowhere, a mentally disturbed guy started harassing some lady's daughters. A bunch of us immediately started yelling at him to back off, and started putting ourselves physically between him. The dude was obviously mentally ill, but also possibly a threat to someone, just from flailing his limbs around like a crazy dude.

Well, we kept him separated from the lady and her daughters--just with our voices and our bodies--and he continued to have a freakout, yell, and after 2-3 minutes the cops on bikes showed up to keep him contained until, I'm guessing, some cop in a car could haul him to some kind of lockup. I'm sure, if he'd gotten more aggressive, me and a few other people (heh, even some in business suits) would have tackled him and sat on him.

What's scary to me is...what if someone had a gun and thought they'd be a hero? Best case is, they suppress that thought, pretend they don't have a gun, and we get the outcome like we had, with minimal damage to all. Worst case is, they start firing, and either shoot the crazy dude, or even worse, they shoot some bystanders. Odds are, here in the city (where 80% of us work and live), guns won't make ordinary people into heroes, they'll just make tense situations deadly.

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Yeah, sorry, remembering one event led to other memories bubbling up after the initial post. The only substantial edit was to add the paragraph highlighting the point about perspective, not knowing others' intentions – I think. I haven't edited it since your reply, FWIW. Anyway, I think I hear what you're saying. Some of it is contextual though, right? If I were to walk up to one of my neighbors in my little suburban…

Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate it. I'm always a little wary of big edits on sites that don't show an edit history. (HN devs, why not??) I agree that context matters. You're describing a different time and place, pretty far removed from the vast majority of Americans now: rural life, probably a couple decades ago. In 2010, over 80% of us lived in cities. Six years ago, less than one in five of us lived in rural A…

Yeah, I really detest the idea that more people carrying guns will make us safer. I mean, just look at how often cops make mistakes. I believe most cops have good intentions, but the urgency of an apparent life or death situation triggers that good ol' fight or flight response and spikes adrenaline. This inevitably leads to accidents and bad judgments in the moment.

The self-reported hit rate for bullets fired from police weapons is only 30-40%, in the US. Some 3rd party estimates put it around 20%. That means at least 60% of bullets fired by cops miss their target – and these people are generally well trained with firearms (if not other parts of policing), usually required to re-certify their marksmanship multiple times a year, etc.

I personally do not want to trust some rando with a gun to a) make the right decision about when lethal force is prudent and b) execute that decision competently.

Anyway, I'm preaching to the choir here. I'm sure gun people can raise counterexamples of where some citizen with a gun saved the day. So, I know I'm just wasting keystrokes.

On that note, I think I'm done with Internet comments for the day. :) Have a happy new year.

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I understand including the family so explicitly may have overstepped boundaries that could be deemed inappropriate. That was wrong of me and I apologize for being so explicit with my feelings. I only meant to explain the other side, which includes myself, that I feel is being wrongly demonized. I promise that it was poorfully and thoughtlessly phrased rather than having any malicious intentions behind my words. I'm a…

To answer your last question, no, this comment doesn't break the guidelines, and I believe you that your intent was positive. The problem is that intent doesn't hop across the gap the way that words do. When the subject is emotional, careless words always seem laden with bad intent, whether or not they really were. You're responsible (we all are) for dealing with that when you post comments here, so your comments don…

That's fine. Thank you for the response.

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> Obviously Ian was not thinking rationally, which is precisely why the post about his tweets needed -- and would have received -- attention. You don't know that for sure so you can't make the link. All I note is that you didn't do anything when it mattered and now you're quick with the knife of blame. > He was part of this community. So are you, and yet, if you posted a bunch of stuff on Twitter about how you were g…

Cold as the Netherlands, bro. You're fucking up Ian in defense of Dan. Who runs this place?

I'm not 'fucking up' anybody. Get lost.

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Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate it. I'm always a little wary of big edits on sites that don't show an edit history. (HN devs, why not??) I agree that context matters. You're describing a different time and place, pretty far removed from the vast majority of Americans now: rural life, probably a couple decades ago. In 2010, over 80% of us lived in cities. Six years ago, less than one in five of us lived in rural A…

Yeah, I really detest the idea that more people carrying guns will make us safer. I mean, just look at how often cops make mistakes. I believe most cops have good intentions, but the urgency of an apparent life or death situation triggers that good ol' fight or flight response and spikes adrenaline. This inevitably leads to accidents and bad judgments in the moment. The self-reported hit rate for bullets fired from p…

Same to you, happy new year!!

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As evinced by words like 'jailhouse virgin', jackstormwriter was enjoying Ian's suffering. I don't see how he was being "helpful" or providing advice.

You're right, and I had seen that tweet, I had forgotten it, and I agree that it was cruel. The actual advice was in other tweets.

Thank you for bringing up why it's important to bring to light as much information as circumstances will allow, and is fair to all parties involved.

In this huge mess of things, I would probably have forgotten one particular tweet too.

On a side note: it's really nice to see someone who has the empathy to recognize cruelty as cruelty here. It's quite hard for a good chunk of folks, myself included, to care about "meanness" when that "meanness" doesn't directly affect us.

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