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This guy caught the exchange: https://twitter.com/dknake/status/682346660626886656
As evinced by words like 'jailhouse virgin', jackstormwriter was enjoying Ian's suffering. I don't see how he was being "helpful" or providing advice.
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I find it incredibly distasteful... Tired and lame tone policing is tired and lame. [edit: "nu-uh!"]
Bringing up police brutality in a thread about someone who died in no way linked to the police is even more tired and lame.
In England those officers would appear before the coroner and would have to justify their actions.
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> Personally I don't think you can be "unhinged" without being mentally ill I consider that attitude to be deeply unfortunate and to be unfair both to the temporarily unhinged and to the long term mentally ill. If you had a term that was an alternative to unhinged that didn't make your socially conditioned prejudices twitch, I'd have preferred you shared it rather than simply attack both groups for using language tha…
I'm long term mentally ill. You don't know what you're talking about.
So unless you're actually going to suggest something, I'll be keeping with the term they're happy with, I'm afraid.
It really bothers me that traces of someone's existence can be wiped out with a mouse click, be it on twitter, google, facebook, or other sites. I read the tweets while this was going on, I was hoping he would find some other means to cope and raise awareness, and to hear that he actually went through with it. :-( I go to reread and see if there's anything I might have missed and his twitter page is gone as if he nev…
I agree. But I can't blame him for not wanting to involuntarily dedicate his life to fighting this bullshit. Given the choice between fighting a vastly corrupt and hostile police force, facing merciless prosecutors, being covered by the media, many of whom are hostile, being judged and discussed online, losing the career that you spent your life building, and never being able to leave any of that behind... and not ha…
I don't. My first reaction when being faced with adversity is to fight it, get revenge in some form, not harm myself hoping that it will shame those that wronged me.
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Not sure if you're being sarcastic, having a hard time interpreting your tone. I agree though, shooting at looters to scare them off would be an overreaction, and I was raised to never point a gun at a human (or animal) unless you intend to shoot them. What I remember is my dad, with his shotgun in a pocket/cradle position (muzzle pointed at the sky, a common field carry), going out to talk to people rummaging throug…
I've seen your post go through substantial edits, so I'm a little wary about replying at all--it might change significantly again. That said... No, I'm not sarcastic. Bringing out a gun to show people you'll shoot them over possessions is a serious overreaction. Your story seems to describe a childhood event, and to be honest it sounds like a child's interpretation of the events: things are cast in black-and-white te…
Anyway, I think I hear what you're saying. Some of it is contextual though, right?
If I were to walk up to one of my neighbors in my little suburban, sidewalked neighborhood with a shotgun, even muzzle-up leaned on my shoulder, that would be atypical for this community, and I agree that would absolutely be interpreted as aggressive, escalating, etc., in this context. I would certainly be leery of a neighbor walking around holding a gun.
However, I grew up in a farming community. It was common to see people driving pickups with guns mounted on a rack in the back of the cab. It was common to see teenagers (myself included) exploring the woods by our house with a .22 rifle hanging from their shoulder or strapped to their bicycle as they rode past our house. If you bumped into a neighbor at the edge of your land, there was a (estimating here) 20% chance they'd have a rifle on them. My point is just that guns were prevalent in that context. So, carrying a gun in that context is not the same as brandishing it (technically to hostilely shake or wave) or indicating that you're ready to shoot someone.
EDIT: But yes, walking up to strangers on your land carrying a gun does carry an implied threat. I'm just saying it's much less of an escalation in that context.
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I've seen your post go through substantial edits, so I'm a little wary about replying at all--it might change significantly again. That said... No, I'm not sarcastic. Bringing out a gun to show people you'll shoot them over possessions is a serious overreaction. Your story seems to describe a childhood event, and to be honest it sounds like a child's interpretation of the events: things are cast in black-and-white te…
Yeah, sorry, remembering one event led to other memories bubbling up after the initial post. The only substantial edit was to add the paragraph highlighting the point about perspective, not knowing others' intentions – I think. I haven't edited it since your reply, FWIW. Anyway, I think I hear what you're saying. Some of it is contextual though, right? If I were to walk up to one of my neighbors in my little suburban…
So the only sure way to carry is concealed. And never mention that you are doing it.
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Yeah, sorry, remembering one event led to other memories bubbling up after the initial post. The only substantial edit was to add the paragraph highlighting the point about perspective, not knowing others' intentions – I think. I haven't edited it since your reply, FWIW. Anyway, I think I hear what you're saying. Some of it is contextual though, right? If I were to walk up to one of my neighbors in my little suburban…
Brandishing a weapon (carrying it openly and aggressively) will get your permit revoked in most states. Showing it, waving it, even mentioning that you are carrying are all classed as brandishing. The accusation of brandishing is often enough to lose the permit. So the only sure way to carry is concealed. And never mention that you are doing it.
Are you saying that carrying/showing/mentioning (let's say non-aggressively) a gun on your own private property can be classified as brandishing? I've never heard that, but I really don't know.
EDIT: Also, what permit are you talking about? I don't know how things are now, but when I was growing up in AL (~20 years ago), you didn't need a permit to own a rifle or carry it on your own land.
His last wishes went towards asking the community to push his story to the front page of HN.
Why does the institutions delete information in order to preserve his memory?
I have been in the free software community since 2 decades. Met a lot of developers. We were a tinge more numerous -compared to the era and time- freaks among freaks.
The number of schyzophrenic, LGBT, psychotics, diabetics, aspergers, autists ... outcasts of the society were high 15 years ago. Not all outcasts I will admit. Highly educated ones. Nerds, and geeks like with the true meaning of geeks before silicon valley in a 1984 fashion made it sound cool.
The bullied at school because of invisible differences. At least when you are visibly different you are not alone.
Free software was our haven, a community with strong bonds. I never met him though.
Since linux became "hype" the community has changed. Less freaks, more suits and ties more "opening to visible diversities" but in depth less tolerance towards the differences of the minds.
I am uneasy with the deleting of his posts *. Even though I guess I understand the family. There are so many ways people can be misleaded by his lasts words. Me included.
His lasts words are stinking of loneliness and oddity for me, though. Like a bottle to the sea.
I wish to try to open gently this bottle.
Whatever he wishes to have uncovered my clueless guess is the true nature of facing a world that is violent with a difference and a lack of empathy. Like a psychopathic society. He may not have been a "nerd" or "geek" or bullied at school but he seems to have died like one.
His tweets were long enough before his death. Thousands of people made the news seeable on the internet. Their was time to act. Yet, like for any freaks on the streets that every one sees and have empathy for, every one seemed concerned and no one acted. Liking on fb, talk on TED, news on HN are effectless in the real life.
What I see from the reactions to his last words is ... people are more concerned about being "correct" above all.
I also see his social shell cracking revealing his inner self. I see people close to him more concerned about keeping a nice image of him rather than accepting who he was. As a human. To fail is human, to err is human, to cry is human, to be in pain is human.
But the dark secrets is we all are freaks. And we face our fears and demons -- alone sometimes. Especially when being bullied. Society tends to blame the victims of bullying for their own weaknesses.
As soon as you call for help when fighting your daemons in your own honest language people walk away, by fear, of what? Contamination? Conflict?
My sympathy goes to Ian. My feeling goes to all the people asking for help that are ignored, but for which we make nice posts, hoping someone else will take care of it. (NIB)
I am even feeling myself both a jerk and wishing to respect his lasts words[1] writing this.
Maybe the only thing that we have to look at is at the bottle, and not open it.
A bottle to the sea is a signal to the world, and some are trying to hide this bottle.
In fact, I cowardly will not open the bottle. But I see it. I have the feeling it is important to not negate it.
"i have many stories to tell and do not want them to die with me" he said.
In my point of view not respecting someone's last world is like breaking a geas that bound generations.
What if no one respected the last wishes of Nicolai Copernicus on publishing is thesis?
sapere auso[2].
It is our moral contract to the one who passed away to respect their last wishes, else what will remain of us after our own deaths?
He was a human, he was in pain, he was alone, and that how he died, unable to tell his stories. And even as a complete stranger, I feel for him.
Maybe he was living in delusion. Maybe he was crazy. Maybe he had terrible stories to tell about DSA-1571-1. It is impossible for me to guess the stories he actually wishes to make the front page of HN.
I just read his words and see the pain of a human and respect them as is.
Let's respect the true memory of a man and respect his real last words, not the façade that is given to us.
[1] yes I assume this is him writing. I cannot be sure, but sometimes you have to trust and trust include the risk of being betrayed. Sometimes, [2] you have to dare try to know.
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He also literally said he was going to commit suicide, so perhaps we should stop speculating and wait for someone who actually has real information to share it. Seriously, if ever comment on this page containing the phrase "I believe" or "I think" was deleted right now, we would not lose any objective facts.
I'd strongly prefer to focus on honoring the memory of Ian, but... while googling, I found this page: (warning, it's a 4chan thread, overflowing with hateful comments) https://archive.is/2Cdj1 In there, horrible people are inviting other horrible people to go on twitter and troll (i.e. harass) Ian. If you're close to taking your own life, you want to be close to your loved ones, and the last thing you want is to get…