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In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by nailer »

murricaFsckYeah wrote: post #197
redwards510 wrote: post #193

Well, it appears his arrest was real, not a delusion. This is all the information they had on VINE. https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=50... Offender Name: IAN ASHLEY MURDOCK Offender ID/CDCR:608067 Date of Birth:04/28/1973 Age: 42 Race: White Gender: Male Custody Status: Out of Custody Date: 12/27/2015 Reason:Bonded out

I'll leave some info here, some archived tweets. Last link for some context: https://archive.is/9HF4c https://archive.is/DcVrY https://web.archive.org/web/20151230193102/https://twitter.c...

Murdock, it seems had an argument with someone who thought he should have known not to say anything with the police and who was very insensitive about how Murdock felt after (allegedly) being beaten up twice by the police and fined 25K for an assault he didn't commit.

That person also criticised Debian.

But none of the insensitive things said are are responsible for someone killing themselves. Please don't turn this into a witch hunt.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by nailer »

> I suppose it depends on how much faith you have in the community, particularly in its worst elements.

On that note, do you want to reconsider your post about the person who argued with Ian (who was awfully insensitive, but really doesn't deserve an HN witch hunt) elsewhere in this thread?

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Edit: replying to your post below, due to rate limit:

Your post was flagged because you're mentioning both the full name and online handle of someone arguing with Ian about whether Ian should have spoken to the police or remained silent and sued them, in a thread about Ian's death.

The person was arguing for Ian's best interests, but even if they weren't, you can help the cause of online harassment by not harassing people online.

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Edit 2, to reply to your recent edits: posting their handle because they argued with Ian in this thread is enough, but you posted a screenshot with the persons first name and last name in post #10814825.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by nailer »

cheapsteak wrote: post #237
dinkumthinkum wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't just diagnose a head injury like that. There is a simpler explanation, and unfortunately possibly more probable, as to why the tweets were written like that. I don't know why you would jump to "this is murder," we don't even know if there was even really anyone else involved. I mean come on, I understand it is very tragic and sad but not everything is a grand conspiracy.

What is the simpler explanation?

Personally I can't type properly when I'm really pissed off. I'm sure other people have the same issue.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by Nadya »

dang wrote: post #284
Nadya wrote: post #243

On the flipside, assuming he was the one posting to his Twitter, his family are disrespecting his final wishes to spark a discussion about police brutality by asking for silence and no publicity. The exact opposite of what Ian had said he wanted on his Twitter. To some people it's spitting on an open grave by denying him that last wish and that is disgusting. It's all a matter of what lens you use to view the scenari…

There are a bunch of comments in this thread that go over the line, but this is one of the worst. To say that a family that just lost a loved one are "spitting on an open grave" is such a breach of the site guidelines that (a) I am going to kill this comment outright and (b) we will ban your account if you post anything else like this to Hacker News. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?i…

I understand including the family so explicitly may have overstepped boundaries that could be deemed inappropriate. That was wrong of me and I apologize for being so explicit with my feelings. I only meant to explain the other side, which includes myself, that I feel is being wrongly demonized. I promise that it was poorfully and thoughtlessly phrased rather than having any malicious intentions behind my words.

I'm asking, with good intentions, if the statement were a more implicit explanation of "the other side of the coin" without so wrongly speaking of the family - would it still have overstepped the boundaries by such an extent? Or was it my thoughtless inclusion of the family that was so uncalled for?

"Ian asked for noise and got silence. I can see why people are frustrated."

That would likely have been a more tactful way of saying what I had wanted to say without including the attack against the family. Again, I apologize for my previous statement and can see why it was deemed unwarranted.

It won't happen again and I'll keep your warning in mind for the future. Although I ask you please try to understand that the loss of Ian means as much to me as I'm sure it does to many others on HN. Many people in the thread, myself included, see honoring the wishes of the deceased as the ultimate form of respect - and ignoring those wishes as the largest sign of disrespect. As I'm sure you are aware, there was quite a bit of back & forward discussions being had around which group were being the disrespectful ones. It can get very heated when two groups think the others are being extremely disrespectful while they, themselves, are trying to show respect.

I do not ask that you do not hold my previous statement against me - feel free to continue to do so. But I hope this explanation can better explain where I was coming from when I said it. I sincerely hope that my trying to clarify does not break part (b) of your ultimatum.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by huac »

r721 wrote: post #179

>Michael Morisy filed this request with the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of America. >From: Michael Morisy >Subject: None >To Whom It May Concern: >This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act. I hereby request the following records: >A copy of the FBI's files on computer programmer Ian Murdock (28 April 1973 – 28 December 2015). https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-…

Is it common practice for the govt to release FBI files on people? Or, if it is, with this little delay?

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by mkhpalm »

warp416 wrote: post #149

I love Debian, and all OSS/Linux stuff, and I'm just really really sad. I don't know why people want to speculate on all the twitter stuff. I'm just gonna be sad, and drink some whiskey, and make a toast to a guy who made my life, and millions of other people's lives richer by what he gave the world. To you, Ian. May you find peace and rest. Thank you.

Well said.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by multinglets »

rdtsc wrote: post #19

Please let's not dig up links or make speculations about what happened. He was the founder of the Debian project, let's remember him for that or other contributions he's made to the tech community. Debian has grown to be one of the most well known and popular Linux distribution, used in production, in the cloud, as the base for SteamOS, Ubuntu and other projects. It is and was a major part of what made Linux popular.

You mean, links like archives of his now-removed tweets where he himself is imploring us to investigate what's happened to him?

Nonsense. Absolute nonsense.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by brogrammer90 »

kragen wrote: post #38
rdtsc wrote: post #19

Please let's not dig up links or make speculations about what happened. He was the founder of the Debian project, let's remember him for that or other contributions he's made to the tech community. Debian has grown to be one of the most well known and popular Linux distribution, used in production, in the cloud, as the base for SteamOS, Ubuntu and other projects. It is and was a major part of what made Linux popular.

On the contrary: let's dig up all the links we can so that we can find out who was responsible, and prevent it from ever happening again. Just before he died, Ian had said he was going to devote the rest of his life to fighting police brutality: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM Not only would we dishonor his memory by not digging up links and making speculations about what happened (did he commit suicide, possibly due to…

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