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In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by snakeanus »

pc86 wrote: post #105
abtinf wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> let's fight criminals tomorrow Given that Ian's twitter pointed the finger at law enforcement for inciting this, what you are really saying is let's give the police time to cover up the details of what happened, obscure or destroy evidence, recruit prosecutors to their defense, and wait for months or years while an alleged internal investigation occurs. A close relative of mine committed suicide. It was a difficult…

To imply that the family is wrong for not wanting to discuss this publicly ~36 hours after it happened is disgusting.

You are disgusting for disrespecting his own wishes for justice.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by Grishnakh »

Joeboy wrote: post #218
jacquesm wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

London police has a very good reputation. I've never had any dealings with them (despite many visits to London, a nice reflection on how they typically don't bug you without a reason) but from the people that I know that live there in general it seems like they actually take the 'protect and serve' bit to heart, contrary to many other police forces the world over.

> London police has a very good reputation. Maybe internationally, but they're pretty dodgy for a UK police force.

That's probably because the UK has far, far, far, far higher standards for its police than the US. Even the worst police in the UK are far better than the police here in the US.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by Nadya »

On the flipside, assuming he was the one posting to his Twitter, his family are disrespecting his final wishes to spark a discussion about police brutality by asking for silence and no publicity. The exact opposite of what Ian had said he wanted on his Twitter.

To some people it's spitting on an open grave by denying him that last wish and that is disgusting.

It's all a matter of what lens you use to view the scenario. Many wish to show respect to the remaining family or to assume that wasn't Ian on his Twitter or that his words were meant for something else. Others wish to respect Ian, his family be damned.

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Post by mst »

DanBC wrote: post #132
georgemcbay wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the pastebinned tweets I've seen are really his then he was clearly unhinged when he made them. Whether that is due to head trauma or if the problems with the police came about because he was already having issues, I have no idea. Either way, while I totally understand his family's request for privacy, I do wish as a culture we felt more comfortable discussing things like this when they happen instead of basically…

You make a bunch of speculation, use slurs ("he was clearly unhinged") to talk about him, and then wonder why people ask for privacy?

At least from a .uk idiomatic POV (or at least from mine), 'unhinged' is a description of a potentially temporary mental state (hence 'unhinged when' making sense as a conjugation) rather than an attempt to attack the mentally ill. I'm not fond of the speculation, though, but can find nothing to say about it beyond that that wouldn't merely be adding my own speculation and thereby exacerbating that aspect.

Or: You can apply the principle of charity to somebody's choice of words and still critique their point, and that often works out better in terms of constructive results.

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Post by mst »

rewqfdsa wrote: post #214

Is everything a slur to you people? For fuck's sake, get a life. You can't eliminate unpleasant things from the world by policing the words we use to talk about them.

I feel like there's a certain irony here that you responded to somebody's policing the use of the word unhinged by criticising their use of the word slur.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by mst »

poikniok wrote: post #25
rdtsc wrote: post #19

Please let's not dig up links or make speculations about what happened. He was the founder of the Debian project, let's remember him for that or other contributions he's made to the tech community. Debian has grown to be one of the most well known and popular Linux distribution, used in production, in the cloud, as the base for SteamOS, Ubuntu and other projects. It is and was a major part of what made Linux popular.

I disagree. It seems he might have died fighting for a cause. We might do well to serve his memory by thinking about and understanding his cause. To do otherwise would be to admit that we can change nothing.

One can honour both man and cause by grieving now and avenging later.

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Post by rdtsc »

DanBC wrote: post #132
georgemcbay wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the pastebinned tweets I've seen are really his then he was clearly unhinged when he made them. Whether that is due to head trauma or if the problems with the police came about because he was already having issues, I have no idea. Either way, while I totally understand his family's request for privacy, I do wish as a culture we felt more comfortable discussing things like this when they happen instead of basically…

You make a bunch of speculation, use slurs ("he was clearly unhinged") to talk about him, and then wonder why people ask for privacy?

That is exactly why I tried to admonish people in a top post to avoid doing this. Maybe it is just me being naive, but it seemed an "in memoriam" article would not be the place for this, and was hoping people would instead choose to share something positive about his life. But you know, internet happens...

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by rdtsc »

poikniok wrote: post #25
rdtsc wrote: post #19

Please let's not dig up links or make speculations about what happened. He was the founder of the Debian project, let's remember him for that or other contributions he's made to the tech community. Debian has grown to be one of the most well known and popular Linux distribution, used in production, in the cloud, as the base for SteamOS, Ubuntu and other projects. It is and was a major part of what made Linux popular.

I disagree. It seems he might have died fighting for a cause. We might do well to serve his memory by thinking about and understanding his cause. To do otherwise would be to admit that we can change nothing.

> To do otherwise would be to admit that we can change nothing.

HN allows you to post and create new topics. Maybe leave avenging and figuring out the details in a separate discussion?

How about remembering something nice about him or about Debian or other stuff that's not about the exact details how he died (which it seems nobody here is 100% sure of and just goes by twitter posts, and Reddit discussions).

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Post by samstave »

segmondy wrote: post #45

It really bothers me that traces of someone's existence can be wiped out with a mouse click, be it on twitter, google, facebook, or other sites. I read the tweets while this was going on, I was hoping he would find some other means to cope and raise awareness, and to hear that he actually went through with it. :-( I go to reread and see if there's anything I might have missed and his twitter page is gone as if he nev…

What happened to his linkedin profile as well?
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