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Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by tptacek »

jessriedel wrote: post #47
natch wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he means, while they approved the bill, warts and all, that doesn't mean everybody likes all the warts. (Although it is congress, so we have to assume they DO like warts... but let's put that aside). He's asking if they can come back and remove some of the warts, essentially, in a separate action at a later time.

But a majority of congress did like the wart. That's why the amendment adding the CISA text to the omnibus bill passed, and that's while it's very unlikely to be repealed later. (Of course it's possible to repeal it later, as is true for all laws; they didn't pass a constitutional amendment.) The public-choice situation as I understand it is that CISA was a bill that concentrated interests (large tech companies) like…

Both CISA and PCNA passed with large amounts of publicity and long review periods.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by robotkilla »

randomname2 wrote: post #4

How this happened [1]: In a late-night session of Congress, House Speaker Paul Ryan announced a new version of the “omnibus” bill, a massive piece of legislation that deals with much of the federal government’s funding. It now includes a version of CISA as well. Lumping CISA in with the omnibus bill further reduces any chance for debate over its surveillance-friendly provisions, or a White House veto. And the latest…

I feel like I'm living in a twilight zone episode. I don't think we're ever going to see an end to this and I think its going to get worse and worse and no one is going to notice until there really is no way out. I'm sick of seeing comments about voting bad / good lawmakers out / in. Clearly that doesn't work because most citizens don't give a shit because they're too stupid to understand what is happening. Even when you educate them they're so shell shocked by the news that they're willing to let the powers that be shepherd them into servitude. We're all megafucked. Just wait until trump worms his way into office and uses this to round up whomever he hates at the moment. Imagine if bush had this level of power when he made the comments about atheists not being real citizens... i'm genuinely worried about the future.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by awqrre »

rubyfan wrote: post #15
x1024 wrote: post #6

Well, this whole Internet thing was nice while it lasted.

What's the alternative?

Not sure if something like this exist but what if you could use a system where people could subscribe to you (a bit like RSS) and get all your content (a bit like newsgroups, so that a third party would have a harder time to figure out at least some of the metadata) but the recipients could only decrypt what is addressed to them personally or to a group that they are part of...

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by tptacek »

jessriedel wrote: post #26
egwynn wrote: post #14

I believe that CISA is mostly about changes within the government itself about sharing data between agencies. It seems to interface with the non-government world insofar as it lets companies share their data with government agencies without getting sued. I do NOT believe it contains any further provisions requiring private companies to share their data without a warrant. Can someone tell me if I’m reading it correctl…

> I do NOT believe it contains any further provisions requiring private companies to share their data without a warrant. Sure, but that means the companies now face minimal incentive to protect user data but doubtless will experience pressure from the government to give it up even without a warrant.

This bill only allows companies to share data that fit the definition of "cybersecurity threat indicator", and that definition requires companies to not knowingly share personally identifying information. It is not a particularly effective vector for slurping messages out of Facebook.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by MichaelGG »

randomname2 wrote: post #4

How this happened [1]: In a late-night session of Congress, House Speaker Paul Ryan announced a new version of the “omnibus” bill, a massive piece of legislation that deals with much of the federal government’s funding. It now includes a version of CISA as well. Lumping CISA in with the omnibus bill further reduces any chance for debate over its surveillance-friendly provisions, or a White House veto. And the latest…

I'd love more reasons to hate Facebook, but is there any real sourcing for that? @Snowden seems to be linking to BoingBoing, who then links to Fight for the Future[1], which just claims secret sources. OK, but are they known to historically have had accurate secret info?

Their landing page has this quote "If CISA passes, all your photos, posts, relationships, and likes will have a path to government databases." Which, from what very little I understand, is not quite true. At a minimum, "government databases" already have such a path via subpoenas, NSLs and such right?

I want to believe FB is worse, yes. I'd just like a more convincing source to give people.

1: https://www.youbetrayedus.org/facebook/

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by DavidSJ »

randomname2 wrote: post #4

How this happened [1]: In a late-night session of Congress, House Speaker Paul Ryan announced a new version of the “omnibus” bill, a massive piece of legislation that deals with much of the federal government’s funding. It now includes a version of CISA as well. Lumping CISA in with the omnibus bill further reduces any chance for debate over its surveillance-friendly provisions, or a White House veto. And the latest…

All I can find from that Snowden tweet is https://www.youbetrayedus.org/facebook/ . Are there any news articles explaining what the source of this claim is? That's a big deal if true.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by dhimes »

tptacek wrote: post #48
egwynn wrote: post #14

I believe that CISA is mostly about changes within the government itself about sharing data between agencies. It seems to interface with the non-government world insofar as it lets companies share their data with government agencies without getting sued. I do NOT believe it contains any further provisions requiring private companies to share their data without a warrant. Can someone tell me if I’m reading it correctl…

You are reading it correctly. CISA explicitly establishes by statute that private entities are never required to share data, but that the government is required to share with private entities.

It also seems to be addressing, by "cybersecurity threats," the act of trying to hack into information systems. The law seems to be paving the legal way for facebook to work with google and ycombinator if there was a network attack by in order to set up defensive measures against the attack and perhaps share information as to who and where it is coming from. Personal information must be removed from such shared information, and if not the insulted party must be notified.

Specific details of how to do this must be decided in the next 90 (or was it 180)days and compliance oversight reports are required regularly.

I'm a little embarrassed, but I must have missed the part where this makes things worse. I'm being honest here: If I should be upset about this I need to know why, please.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by twoodfin »

merpnderp wrote: post #29
randomname2 wrote: post #4

How this happened [1]: In a late-night session of Congress, House Speaker Paul Ryan announced a new version of the “omnibus” bill, a massive piece of legislation that deals with much of the federal government’s funding. It now includes a version of CISA as well. Lumping CISA in with the omnibus bill further reduces any chance for debate over its surveillance-friendly provisions, or a White House veto. And the latest…

It's useful to note that Paul Ryan gained his position by saying shady backroom deals like this, plus giving Congress almost no time to read and think about the bill themselves, were the exact things he promised to stop. So his very first act as speaker is to break every single promise he made to become speaker.

It's useful to note that Paul Ryan gained his position by saying shady backroom deals like this, plus giving Congress almost no time to read and think about the bill themselves, were the exact things he promised to stop.

He did? I thought he got the job (after much cajoling) because he was the only candidate the moderate and right wings of the GOP could agree on.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by randomname2 »

tptacek wrote: post #45

CISA passed the Senate with almost 3:1 bipartisan support in October. PCNA, the House's (worse) version of CISA, passed with similar margins in April. Obama has publicly supported the bill all year. As much as HN and Twitter wants to believe CISA was enacted in some shady backroom deal, the process that actually occurred, including publicly available amendments and months-long review, is pretty close to "Schoolhouse…

The 14 votes against, FWIW:

    Baldwin (D-WI)
    Booker (D-NJ)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Coons (D-DE)
    Franken (D-MN)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Markey (D-MA)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Warren (D-MA)
    Wyden (D-OR)
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151022/10133932597/cisa-...

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by robotkilla »

randomname2 wrote: post #59
tptacek wrote: post #45

CISA passed the Senate with almost 3:1 bipartisan support in October. PCNA, the House's (worse) version of CISA, passed with similar margins in April. Obama has publicly supported the bill all year. As much as HN and Twitter wants to believe CISA was enacted in some shady backroom deal, the process that actually occurred, including publicly available amendments and months-long review, is pretty close to "Schoolhouse…

The 14 votes against, FWIW: Baldwin (D-WI) Booker (D-NJ) Brown (D-OH) Coons (D-DE) Franken (D-MN) Leahy (D-VT) Markey (D-MA) Menendez (D-NJ) Merkley (D-OR) Paul (R-KY) Sanders (I-VT) Udall (D-NM) Warren (D-MA) Wyden (D-OR) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151022/10133932597/cisa-...

I'm honestly starting to think sander's is our last hope -- I was on the fence until seeing this. Meanwhile he is getting undermined by the media.
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