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Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by lhl »

mixedmath wrote: post #5

There have been very many versions of laws similar to CISA that have been proposed, modified, and changed/passed/failed/delayed. When I try to understand exactly what this CISA version includes, most rhetoric I read is alarmist and not conducive to actually knowing what can and cannot be done under CISA. Is there a digestible explanation of what this CISA entails?

I don't know if there's a how you'd tell what's a good summary vs alarmist rhetoric so the best way to tell what's in the bill is probably to read it.

The full text is only about 30 pages, and can be found here: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr2029/text/eah#l...

This is embedded in the "H.R. 2029: Military Construction and Veterans Affairs and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2016", which is the vehicle for the Omnibus bill as passed by the Senate yesterday: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr2029

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by ck2 »

By the way, I haven't heard CNN or NBC mention CISA once this week.

So apparently corporate media has no problem with CISA for some reason.

Since congress rarely write their own laws and let the industry write it for them - who actually wrote CISA ? There's no way congress would know what to ask for. Did the NSA write CISA?

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by pinkrooftop »

zanny wrote: post #10
mixedmath wrote: post #5

There have been very many versions of laws similar to CISA that have been proposed, modified, and changed/passed/failed/delayed. When I try to understand exactly what this CISA version includes, most rhetoric I read is alarmist and not conducive to actually knowing what can and cannot be done under CISA. Is there a digestible explanation of what this CISA entails?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersecurity_Information_Shar... The core problem is it lets major industry players like MS / Google / Apple give the fed access to all the personal info they record without investigators needing a warrant and with no liability on the companies part (ie, you cannot sue them for state disclosure of your personal info that then resulted in harm against you). It basically means do not be s…

Search without a warrant though sounds unconstitutional. Legislative arbitrage. Passed low key in Congress, Removed at high cost in the courts

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by egwynn »

I believe that CISA is mostly about changes within the government itself about sharing data between agencies. It seems to interface with the non-government world insofar as it lets companies share their data with government agencies without getting sued. I do NOT believe it contains any further provisions requiring private companies to share their data without a warrant. Can someone tell me if I’m reading it correctly? Not saying I like it, but if it’s not specifically requiring cooperation, then I guess there’s still some hope left.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by mtgx »

randomname2 wrote: post #4

How this happened [1]: In a late-night session of Congress, House Speaker Paul Ryan announced a new version of the “omnibus” bill, a massive piece of legislation that deals with much of the federal government’s funding. It now includes a version of CISA as well. Lumping CISA in with the omnibus bill further reduces any chance for debate over its surveillance-friendly provisions, or a White House veto. And the latest…

If the USA Freedom Act was 1 step forward for privacy (also debatable if even that), this is 5 steps back.

The US really needs to break away from its 2-party system, and the only way to do that is to kill the FPTP voting system. Otherwise, Americans will never have real choices for stuff that really matters.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by nakedrobot2 »

randomname2 wrote: post #4

How this happened [1]: In a late-night session of Congress, House Speaker Paul Ryan announced a new version of the “omnibus” bill, a massive piece of legislation that deals with much of the federal government’s funding. It now includes a version of CISA as well. Lumping CISA in with the omnibus bill further reduces any chance for debate over its surveillance-friendly provisions, or a White House veto. And the latest…

Can someone explain why/how the CISA portion of the bill can or can't be removed later?

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by egwynn »

pinkrooftop wrote: post #13
zanny wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersecurity_Information_Shar... The core problem is it lets major industry players like MS / Google / Apple give the fed access to all the personal info they record without investigators needing a warrant and with no liability on the companies part (ie, you cannot sue them for state disclosure of your personal info that then resulted in harm against you). It basically means do not be s…

Search without a warrant though sounds unconstitutional. Legislative arbitrage. Passed low key in Congress, Removed at high cost in the courts

I believe CISA is more about what the feds MUST do and what private companies MAY do. It’s incentivising the private companies to rat you out, not requiring that they do so.
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