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Apple's EULA actually requires you to build iOS software on a Mac. Using a PC is not a legal option.
Breaking the EULA is not the same thing as doing something illegal.
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Had anyone ever tried to challenge this in a court? Some jurisdictions have customer protection laws that say it's illegal to require purchase of some goods (or services) as a condition for purchase of other goods (or services). Don't know English legal terms for this, sorry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying_(commerce)
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>The mobile bonanza (well, that one company who gets majority of revenue from hardware) in last couple of years perverted the word "upgrade" from "a software upgrade, which adds new features and ads value to existing purchased product", to "needing to buy a new device to keep on going with existing performance". I'm happy to see this hasn't spread to the desktop PC. Yet. I can't tell if you are joking, honestly. If y…
You can't convince me that worsening the experience on a device in 30 minutes (time for OTA update to finish) is to be expected. Example: iOS 9 update. Although I don't agree with many practices MS does lately, I'll admit that they're doing a good job with Windows performance being better and/or at least not worse.
I can tell you that in the late '90s and early aughts, well, they weren't OTA updates; you actually paid for physical disks, but yes, worsening the experience was completely expected. that's why you bought a new computer at the same time.
I am telling you it's the same idea.
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That doesn't seem like a fair view of the analysis. If the real value was in the hub, and these other lights were getting a free ride on it, then the opportunity would be to charge more for the hub. What is far more likely to be the case is that the support costs around problems caused by random third party components messing with the Zigbee network were exceeding the value of providing that support, particularly whe…
> What is far more likely to be the case is that the support costs around problems caused by random third party components messing with the Zigbee network were exceeding the value of providing that support I'm amazed at the level of belief in Philips' honest motives after such a move. They just saw a large market of 3rd party bulbs emerging and saw potential profits for themselves, that's the most likely explanation…
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To be fair, did Philips ever list that as a feature when you bought it? I purchased a few Hue products myself, but never once expected it to be an open platform or even compatible with non-Hue products (even if I wish that were the case).
"The Philips Hue system can be easily integrated with other ZigBee-based systems for additional home automation." http://www2.meethue.com/en-us/about-hue/what-hue-is/ Edit: Found a post about this block from Philips: http://www.developers.meethue.com/documentation/friends-hue-...
TL;DR: Only "Friends of Hue" lights are guaranteed to be compatible.
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#276Are there grounds for a lawsuit when a manufacturer pushes out an update to a product that intentionally degrades its feature set like this? This is no longer the same product that these users bought, it's effectively damaged by the update.
When Playstation 3(?) Removed the ability to install a custom OS, I know of people that were able to return it here in Norway.
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#277 "Anytime someone puts a lock on something you own, against your wishes,
and doesn't give you the key, they're not doing it for your benefit."
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I'd be surprised if they didn't recharge it by pedaling. ;)
> I'd be surprised if they didn't recharge it by pedaling. ;) I'd be surprised if they did. A dynamo adds a noticeable load on the bike, and the people buying this are already optimising for small improvements. Adding a dynamo to power it would probably be a net negative for performance.
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Looks over at my first gen iPad stuck back on iOS 5... It still works fine, but it's hardly because Apple are doing me any favours (past building a good product back in 2010, and "supporting it" with OS updates until 2013...)
iPad 2's performance on iOS 9 makes me wish they had made something around iOS 5-6 into an LTS version for older devices.
iOS 5 smooth 60 FPS responsive interface, compared to 9 stutter fest. What added value does the iOS 9 bring to the table then ? The content in Facebook, Instagram, Youtube etc. is all the same.
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You can't convince me that worsening the experience on a device in 30 minutes (time for OTA update to finish) is to be expected. Example: iOS 9 update. Although I don't agree with many practices MS does lately, I'll admit that they're doing a good job with Windows performance being better and/or at least not worse.
> You can't convince me that worsening the experience on a device in 30 minutes (time for OTA update to finish) is to be expected. Example: iOS 9 update. I can tell you that in the late '90s and early aughts, well, they weren't OTA updates; you actually paid for physical disks, but yes, worsening the experience was completely expected. that's why you bought a new computer at the same time. I am telling you it's the s…
Or if you were a mindless consumer, which my original post is stating, you "upgraded" (bought) to a new PC. And this mentality came over from mobile and is already pioneered on desktop as well (that one company who solders RAM and hard drives now).
Speaking of MS, I don't remember if in the last 10 years I had to buy a new GPU or replace whole PC because the Windows update would bring the whole OS to its knees with slower click response and stuttery animations. From Windows 7 onwards the performance is actually more optimized and faster (disregarding UI design choices).