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Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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Wireless shifting. It's supposed to save us from the tyranny of the shift cable.

And when your batteries inevitably die out on the trail and you're stuck in some random gear, you'll bless the day you bought into this ~ innovation ~.

I'd be surprised if they didn't recharge it by pedaling. ;)

Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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I'll never understand why companies make such customer hostile decisions. I can't see any upside to this and I can't imagine what the discussion looked like when implementing this decision. My (admittedly cynical) guess is that it was one part "We're fielding a lot of support questions on products that aren't ours and our malfunctioning" and two parts "Our customers will be more motivated to buy Philips Hue products…

The way to go for Philips would be the way of Apple.

Build an ecosystem around Hue (Apple app store).

Have help pages but don't do any support (Apple app store).

Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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And when your batteries inevitably die out on the trail and you're stuck in some random gear, you'll bless the day you bought into this ~ innovation ~.

I'd be surprised if they didn't recharge it by pedaling. ;)

That only covers half of the wireless equation.

...unless they ran a wire up the the controls to carry power :)

Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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It's a total dick move on Philips's part to "update" incompatibility into existing products that people already own and have spend money and effort to integrate. These people bought product with the expectation of compatibility, now they're out their investment because of Philips's selfish business decision. Even they have elevated support costs, Philips's made their bed by offering compatibility in the first place f…

> It's a total dick move on Philips's part to "update" incompatibility into existing products that people already own Last year, Shimano (the bikes-and-fishing people) released a firmware update for their electronic shifting system which prevents 2012 (10-speed) parts from working with 2014 (11-speed) gear mechanisms. Literally, if you upgraded your bike from 10 speeds to 11, it worked when the hardware was released,…

Don't get me wrong, there is definitely such a thing as firmware crippleware, but being strict about compatibility with other devices isn't necessarily such a case, particularly in this case where random devices are disproportionately likely to cause all kinds of mischief.

In general, being more compatible increases the value of a device. When it doesn't, you've got some bad market forces at play.

Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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I'll never understand why companies make such customer hostile decisions. I can't see any upside to this and I can't imagine what the discussion looked like when implementing this decision. My (admittedly cynical) guess is that it was one part "We're fielding a lot of support questions on products that aren't ours and our malfunctioning" and two parts "Our customers will be more motivated to buy Philips Hue products…

I'll never understand why companies make such customer hostile decisions. I think it's because Apple more or less proved that the walled garden approach can be wildly successful and everyone is trying to copy them. Seems however that they are the only ones to have success with it.

I hardly think Apple was first. What about Nintendo and the NES lockout chip?

Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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A firmware update for a BICYCLE? I obviously haven't ridden in a while.

Wireless shifting. It's supposed to save us from the tyranny of the shift cable.

Actually no--the Shimano and Campagnolo systems (the first two to market, and the only ones anyone really has yet except some pros) are wired. Look up "Shimano Di2." The battery lasts about 1000 miles before it needs to be recharged, and it can be charged via USB.

Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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I've been using the Wink hub with a variety of different z-wave light switches, electrical outlets, plug adapters, and even a thermostat for the last 6 months. I DEFINITELY feel like the Wink hub is the weak link. It needs resetting frequently enough that I don't really trust that I'll be able to turn on my heat remotely when coming back from vacation, so my neighbor is usually on notice for manual backup (let himsel…

My conclusion was that any hub that requires a round-trip to a internet service is just not realistic for home automation.

It's realistic in that the RT to an Internet service isn't where it seems to break down. It breaks down at the hub that spazzes out and goes into limp mode (which as far as I can tell is simply a flashing status indicator of different colors) and won't respond to commands. Sure, it can cause lag and sometimes there is a full second or two difference from command to action, but it's usually snappy enough that the light on z-wave control turns off barely slower than the light directly toggled by the switch. That being said, if there was a hub that required the Internet service just to perform the away from home/mobile functions but let all the scheduled timers, scenes, robots, etc. perform without Internet, I would happily jump ship. OpenHAB is a PITA and the shortcuts in iOS that you get with Wink/IFTTT and the Amazon Echo integration would all have to be hand rolled. While I've already written some of my own Alexa Apps, I don't want to go back to OpenHAB for all the rest.

Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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Lightning and USB-C aren't really comparable because USB-C supports USB 3.1 while Lightning is limited to USB 2 speeds for everything, including video out. Which means that Apple have to compress the video out and stick an entire ARM SoC in their very expensive AV adapter to decompress it, and this degrades the picture quality. By comparison, USB-C can carry uncompressed HD video, power, and a fast USB 3 data link at…

The latest iPad Pro IIRC has some sort of post-2 chip (I just don't remember if it's 3 or 3.1), it's just not being used yet. The connector itself has 16 total pins available, and the plug has 8. Since the Type C connector is 18 pins with 2 being orientation detection and 4 being ground, it's still possible to have the Lightning connector itself support 3.1 by actually using both sides at the same time instead of jus…

The iPad pro is actually able to use the USB 3 chip with the new SD card adapter Apple just released.

Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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In my code development, I've definitely found some fun cases. i2cs (newer protocol) devices require a checksum, and they respond a bit differently in some cases. So for instance, my code that does a Product Data Request to get the model info for a device isn't working for i2cs devices right now. I'm still working on that, probably tonight. I'd think something like Mister House would probably do the sort of simple cas…

> I'd think something like Mister House would probably do the sort of simple case you need without figuring out all of the INSTEON protocol. I'm a developer and I want to hook all kinds of things together. I don't need a GUI but would like full programmatic access. The case I have in mind would start off as a few lines of Python, probably using asyncio or something which is really powerful for this kind of thing. I'd…

Well, as I said before, I doubt you'll find many devices easier to control than like 20 lines of Visual Basic (probably less in more concise languages).

But you are right that there are holes in their documentation. The code I'm using does a good job showing unknown commands though, so it's pretty easy to fill in what's missing. I think IoT has a lot worse devices, documentation wise.

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