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This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by lghh »

moonchrome wrote: post #261
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

I don't usually make quips about religion - but - you're baffled that a religious person ignores inconsistencies in their argument to establish moral superiority ?

This wasn't intended as a quip against religion or religious people.

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Post by [deleted] »

darkerside wrote: post #271
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

It would be great if the top comment were about the content of the article instead of the character of the institution.

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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by [deleted] »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #287
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #245

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I don't understand why you are dismissing claims as social justice and then trying to claim you are a more logically minded person. How is the claim that not all asian people agree with your father or had traumatic experiences with terrorism also invalidating experiences your father had? You claim to be a logical minded person but I'm not following the logic that your father's experiences are invalidated when someone…

Perhaps I misunderstood your post - I thought you were disagreeing and attempting to contribute to the conversation. Perhaps you were just randomly sharing your feelings for no reason?

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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by unprepare »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #274
unprepare wrote: post #223

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From your link: >These data cover all violent crimes except murder, but the number of murders is tiny compared to other violent crimes. So, we've started by cherry picking our data, a really strong start. Next we go on by comparing apples and oranges. You've reached the conclusion that as a white male you should be afraid of black people, but the data you linked shows otherwise. While 13.7% of violent crimes against…

The data source is the NCVS, a crime victimization survey. The reason is that we aren't relying on racist cops to tell us who the perpetrator is, we are just asking the victims. The survey methodology also allows us to detect unreported crimes. One unfortunate drawback of the survey methodology is that you can't track murder. You've reached the conclusion that as a white male you should be afraid of black people... I…

>I'm sure most of us agree that his feelings are completely irrational and entirely his problem. So why aren't the irrational fears held by various student groups treated the same way?

Oh, so you think being 4 times more likely to be killed by another white person, means that you have a similar cultural experience to the subjugated minorities who are complaining across university campuses.

And because you have a white supremacy blog that tells you that you have it just as bad as everyone else, you have decided to write off all the actual concerns of real people by saying they are just complaining too much?

Its really a fascinating argument. Good luck convincing anyone else who does not already agree with it.

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Post by asift »

mavhc wrote: post #280
asift wrote: post #242

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Because mobs like these are totally open to intellectual discourse and reason. If only the professor had done more to be courteous and empathize with the students' desired ends /s http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new-... But to your point, passing the Ideological Turing Test is something that I think is worth aspiring to. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_Turing_Test

Not really helping your case by using the pro Hitler, pro killing gay babies, Daily Mail though.

I just copied and pasted the first thing that came up on Google. I replaced it with The Atlantic for you :-)

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Post by LunaSea »

coldpie wrote: post #90
madaxe_again wrote: post #62

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One takes offence, one does not give it. It's an idiopathic condition. I'm a white male, but I grew up being called Gwailo, Gaijin, Auslander, and when I finally returned to the anglosphere in my early teens, I was still an outsider as I spoke with a weird accent and was by that point a through-and-through third culture kid. I got the crap bullied out of me, and eventually figured out that it only hurt if I took it t…

> Folks need to have thicker skin Why? Congratulations on being such a paragon of excellence. Why should we require such virtue of all humans? Instead of expecting you to develop a thick skin (are you sure this is a good thing?), why can't we try to reform your aggressors in the first place?

Because it goes against the first amendment.

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Post by laotzu »

coldpie wrote: post #275
laotzu wrote: post #251

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Sincere question: why should you not accept it? >Any person capable of angering you becomes your master; he can anger you only when you permit yourself to be disturbed by him. -Epictetus To answer your question, we should accept it because that is the way reality is fundamentally. Go ahead and try to eternally fight to erase all darkness so that there is only light. Spoiler alert: it's impossible. If there were no da…

I sincerely believe our society would be improved if people could live how they want, provided they harm no one else. While I agree it's a lofty goal, I don't think we have to voluntarily shackle ourselves to a life of hard knocks. > Go ahead and try to eternally fight to erase all darkness so that there is only light. I will, thanks! Why do you think people try to impede me?

>I sincerely believe our society would be improved if people could live how they want, provided they harm no one else.

That may be but an insult is not harmful unless you accept it personally. When you accept an insult you are the one hurting yourself.

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Post by sotojuan »

Shivetya wrote: post #7
lagadu wrote: post #3

I find it baffling that there are people, in the real world, who somehow think that for unexplained reasons they have the right to not be offended or be made to feel uncomfortable. Somehow they believe that their feelings are the responsibility of everyone else.

It seems completely contrary to the idea of universities, to challenge your beliefs, overcome your fears, expand your knowledge, and more. That real threat is these narcissistic cretins who use intimidation and worse the courts to get their way will one day influence the laws we live under. We won't have any privacy if people who want all offensive ideas and actions curtailed and boxed. Instead of running away from 1…

These days college is just another motion to go through before getting a job. It may sound cynical, but these kinds of students couldn't care less about any of what you said. They just want to be in day care for four years and then leave.

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Post by LunaSea »

coldpie wrote: post #275
laotzu wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sincere question: why should you not accept it? >Any person capable of angering you becomes your master; he can anger you only when you permit yourself to be disturbed by him. -Epictetus To answer your question, we should accept it because that is the way reality is fundamentally. Go ahead and try to eternally fight to erase all darkness so that there is only light. Spoiler alert: it's impossible. If there were no da…

I sincerely believe our society would be improved if people could live how they want, provided they harm no one else. While I agree it's a lofty goal, I don't think we have to voluntarily shackle ourselves to a life of hard knocks. > Go ahead and try to eternally fight to erase all darkness so that there is only light. I will, thanks! Why do you think people try to impede me?

Because there's a thing called the first amendment.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by dragonwriter »

whatok wrote: post #64
maaku wrote: post #21

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While I sympathize with your viewpoint, perhaps I can shed some clarity on the other side. The concern is not feelings getting hurt, but rather physical security as a person of minority status. This is something that a white heterosexual middle-class male (such as myself) can probably never fully appreciate, but I try to sympathize. Imagine what it is like to be black in a country where just a few generations back yo…

Why has all the hyper-sensitivity only come to the forefront over the past few years then?

Because the conservatives whose formative years were during the heyday of right-wing complaints about "political correctness" in the 1980s are now at the age where they are the main body of the experienced leadership of the faction, and they lack the creativity to come up with different complaints than the ones they grew up marinating in.

To the extent that hypersensitivity is real, its always been there. Its "come to the forefront" because a certain political faction has chosen to cherry-pick, exaggerate, and sometimes outright fabricate examples of it that occur opposing them to characterize all opposition to their ideas, resurrecting a pattern (and label) that the same faction engaged used for the same purpose in the past.

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