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This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by asift »

jbob2000 wrote: post #156
SeanDav wrote: post #92

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A little research will produce a vast number of examples of political correctness with real consequences and not just "straw-manning". Here is a recent example: A Canadian university cancels a yoga class because yoga comes "from a culture that “experienced oppression, cultural genocide and diasporas due to colonialism and western supremacy,” In a world that can do that, I don't find it surprising that a student could…

Just to add some more info; it was the student union that was running the yoga class and cancelled it, the university administration had no part in its cancellation. This was wholly done by students.

Anyone who has worked in student organizations should be able to attest that students don't have full autonomy from administration/faculty/university governance. I have no idea what role, if any, that any of these influences played on this situation, but I think it's a bit simplistic to assume students made this decision solely on their own.

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Post by coderdude »

lghh wrote: post #248
intortus wrote: post #227

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Doesn't matter. There's an anecdote about a student being a crybaby and that's the biggest threat facing humanity today. Get with the program. We can deal with the Christians once we sort out the safe spacers.

> the biggest threat facing humanity today. Hyperbole? > We can deal with the Christians I don't want to deal with the Christians. I don't agree with their worldview most of the time, but the don't need to be dealt with. > once we sort out the safe spacers They are the safe spacers, just by a different name. Also, I think safe spaces are fine and they don't need sorted out. I was just making an observation on his hyp…

No, we really do need to weed out the people who can't handle the argument at hand based on personal insecurity before moving forward in any discussion. Otherwise, you're just wasting cycles on them and not the actual issue.

(This addresses only the first part of your comment.)

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Post by ebola1717 »

whatok wrote: post #64
maaku wrote: post #21

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While I sympathize with your viewpoint, perhaps I can shed some clarity on the other side. The concern is not feelings getting hurt, but rather physical security as a person of minority status. This is something that a white heterosexual middle-class male (such as myself) can probably never fully appreciate, but I try to sympathize. Imagine what it is like to be black in a country where just a few generations back yo…

Why has all the hyper-sensitivity only come to the forefront over the past few years then?

The generally rightward shift in the country post-Nixon, plus generational differences more than anything else. Most of these complaints have been bubbling under the surface for decades - what you call hyper-sensitivity, they'd call shining a light on these issues that are often ignored or (self-)repressed.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by jlhim »

lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

Spare the irrelevant rant. The words in this article are gold and it sounds like you're one of the crybabies they are talking about.

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Post by cthalupa »

xiaoma wrote: post #174
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #108

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I'm asian. I don't feel threatened by black crime when it's also shown that police target black people for arrest more than whites and that the system is often stacked against black people. I'm more uncomfortable that white males are shooting up schools in my country several times a year because there's nothing being done pointing this demographic out. Your experience doesn't reflect the experience of all others.

Living in Asia, I've seen a lot more news about "white males shooting up schools" than I have about other violent crime in the US, except perhaps police brutality. It's on major news pages / channels. Admittedly, most of what I find is through social media (US and Chinese). Where do you get most your news?

The news, even in America, vastly under reports minority murders, especially in high crime urban areas. 400+ people are murdered every year in Chicago, with black men being the victims at more than 10x the rate of white people in general, and more than double the rate of all other racial groups combined.

Most of this is gang related, and goes almost entirely unreported, even in Chicago itself. This trend is not unique to Chicago, either

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Post by sotojuan »

roymurdock wrote: post #224
rubidium wrote: post #24

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Having spent far more than my fair share of time around University students (11 years), I can assure you that the complaint is likely what the student said. It smells very much like what students today are saying. Remember the other professor who had students call the police because there were mice in their apartment?

I graduated last year, and I can assure you that I never heard anything remotely similar to this during my 4 years in an undergrad business program. I discussed this exact topic with my close high school friends while we were home over Thanksgiving weekend, so I also got perspectives from recently-graduated students in the liberal arts and business at Columbia, WashU, Vanderbilt, and Cornell to fill out my sample. No…

Current college senior at a liberal arts school, and I agree. There's a decent chunk of people who could be described as rubidium does but ultimately they are a minority. A very vocal one though.

Most people are just too busy with life to care, even if they sympathize.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by yummyfajitas »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #245
yummyfajitas wrote: post #127

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What gives you the right to invalidate my father's feelings? You don't understand his lived experience (he was present at a major Islamic terrorist attack) at all! I believe that's the standard social justice retort to your claims. Being a more logically minded person, I'll instead invert it; your retort to my comment is that one person in the aforementioned demographic (e.g. a white/asian male) doesn't agree with me…

I don't understand why you are dismissing claims as social justice and then trying to claim you are a more logically minded person. How is the claim that not all asian people agree with your father or had traumatic experiences with terrorism also invalidating experiences your father had? You claim to be a logical minded person but I'm not following the logic that your father's experiences are invalidated when someone…

Perhaps I misunderstood your post - I thought you were disagreeing and attempting to contribute to the conversation. Perhaps you were just randomly sharing your feelings for no reason?

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Post by ebola1717 »

darkerside wrote: post #271
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

It would be great if the top comment were about the content of the article instead of the character of the institution.

I think the hypocrisy of the author is 100% about the content of the article.

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Post by JackFr »

mgr86 wrote: post #125
chillingeffect wrote: post #76

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> you have to first be able to express their position in a way that they agree represents their view. This habit is extremely powerful. There's no way to require people to do it, but people who do it, at least know the arguments of their opponents, are in such a better position to get what they want that people who don't are left standing, mouths open wondering what happened. And it's extremely timely as just two wee…

I agree it is powerful but it is also just effective communication. I try to do it a lot with my girlfriend on things we don't necessarily agree. I'll paraphrase her position to ensure that my response is correct. ...Sadly, that is sometimes met with "No, are you even listening". But hey, at least at that point she rewords it to get her point across.

I have an Aunt who thrives on disagreement -- and in particular, she will not let me agree with her. Some time ago I believe she irrevocably decided that our views are too different and we can never agree. I literally have had the exchange with her: "I completely agree with everything you just said." "Then you must have misunderstood me."

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by lghh »

darkerside wrote: post #271
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

It would be great if the top comment were about the content of the article instead of the character of the institution.

It is about the article. The article is about the character of the institution as a university rather than a day care. I claimed the university is exactly what it's claiming not to be.

My intention was to show that safe spaces exist in more ways than they are described and have been around for much much longer than the uproar of the last few years would lead one to believe, they have just not been run by left-leaning young people in universities.

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