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Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by eadz » Fri, Nov 27, 2015, 2:40 AM UTC

lemevi wrote: post #150

This author has a history of being on the wrong side of science, and fear mongers on the harms of GMO. For example: http://www.foodrenegade.com/peru-bans-monsanto-gmos/ Just google GMO and this blog: https://www.google.com/search?q=GMO+site%3Afoodrenegade.com

Being Anti-GMO doesn't make someone on the wrong side of science.

The dangers of GMO from a economic perspective are worthy of worry on their own. If you haven't seen Food Inc, then I would recommend that as a starting point to learn how dangerous the monopolisation of the food industry can be to society. The farmers in Peru want to protect their existing biodiversity, something North America has lost thanks to Monsanto, where you cannot legally grow a heirloom corn crop without paying patent fees to monsanto because of the inevitable wind-born cross pollination, thereby violating monsanto patent rights.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by MrGando » Fri, Nov 27, 2015, 2:41 AM UTC

Pyxl101 wrote: post #181

rdtsc wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> any company pay to add massive amounts of chemicals to something to give it a taste that it has naturally? Unless they plan on selling the juice just during harvest time, they need to store it. Try and store some juice you squeezed from oranges even in the refrigerator and see how long it will last and how it will taste. It will last some but not for 6 months. Consistency. Tropicana tastes one way, others taste dif…

Yes but what if you store it after removing the oxygen? And just the oxygen. It might last a lot longer. Then put it back at the end and taste it. Industrial companies have a lot of resources and techniques available to them that the typical person making juice in their home does not. For example, what if they pasteurize the juice? Then it might also last longer, etc. Some people react negatively to these sorts of sc…

There's no such thing as "take out all the oxygen". You can take a bunch, but after a point it get's hard and expensive to keep reducing oxygen concentrations to super low (not zero) levels.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by tracker1 » Fri, Nov 27, 2015, 2:41 AM UTC

pyre wrote: post #178

beloch wrote: post #87

"Juice removed from the fruit is just concentrated fructose without any of the naturally-occurring fiber, pectin, and other goodies that make eating a whole fruit good for you. Did you know, for example, that it takes 6-8 medium sized apples to make just 1 cup of apple juice? You probably wouldn’t be able to eat 6-8 medium apples in a single sitting. (I know I can barely eat one!) But you can casually throw back a cu…

> If you're going to eat something sweet, it's far better for you if it comes combined with fibre. My question is if the fibre has to be whole or not. If I put an apple into a high powered blender, it will get pulverized, but I'm not removing any fibre from it the way I would if I were running it through a juicer. Does the "slowing" factor of the fibre depend on it being in clumps (i.e. a chunk of apple digests slowe…

Whole, chewed fruit is much slower/evenly absorbed than sauced/pureed fruit... Once pureed, it's closer to juice.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by tracker1 » Fri, Nov 27, 2015, 2:42 AM UTC

tmerr wrote: post #156

beloch wrote: post #87

"Juice removed from the fruit is just concentrated fructose without any of the naturally-occurring fiber, pectin, and other goodies that make eating a whole fruit good for you. Did you know, for example, that it takes 6-8 medium sized apples to make just 1 cup of apple juice? You probably wouldn’t be able to eat 6-8 medium apples in a single sitting. (I know I can barely eat one!) But you can casually throw back a cu…

It sounds reasonable that fiber could reduce the rate of aborption of sugar. But I lose you when you start talking about sugar highs. I thought that was dispelled as a myth after a number of placebo controlled studies.

The affects of a "high" feeling, or rush is somewhat exaggerated, what it does to your blood glucose levels, and what that does to your body is well documented.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by tedmiston » Fri, Nov 27, 2015, 2:45 AM UTC

dwich wrote: post #107

morsch wrote: post #53

Having read the article I was left with the assumption that pretty much all commercial orange juice contained these "flavor packs". This does not seem to be the case: http://www.toxinless.com/orange-juice Maybe don't buy your orange juice from subsidiaries of the Coca Cola company and Pepsico, as a starting point. Also interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/2684u1/ysk_t...

I maintain that toxinless.com page and usually buy the brands that claim to avoid flavor packs. It could be placebo, but I notice more flavor variation throughout the year with Costco and Whole Foods' brands, which I think supports their claims of using different sources of oranges throughout the seasons.

From your experience, is there one certain mid-price brand that stands out amongst the non flavor pack varieties?

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by shiftoutbox » Fri, Nov 27, 2015, 2:47 AM UTC

My father grew up on an orange grove in Lebanon and ate lots of citrus fruit and drank a good amount of juice as a child . Living in the New Jersey for the majority of his adult life he always said that the frozen concentrate orange juice tastes the best; and it looked like orange juice . He always disliked the bottled juice , saying it didn't taste right to him, and it was too damn expensive. As I grew up I noticed that Tropcana and Minute Maid cartons gave me horrible indigestion, so I gave up on orange juice . I told my dad about this and he reminded me of two things one this is what you get when a large company makes food , people in suits with MBAs tell chemical engineers to make me a more profitable product . Two don't drink orange juice, stick to coffee , it has caffeine. Ymmv

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by noobermin » Fri, Nov 27, 2015, 2:48 AM UTC

jsprogrammer wrote: post #153

polymatter wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very curious about your comment. how is pure h20 dangerous?

H2O is highly caustic.

H2O is acidic, producing a significant concentration of H+ ions (arguably, the strongest reducing agent) at a concentration of 7 pH, or equivalently, 10^16 ions per liter of water!

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by lemevi » Fri, Nov 27, 2015, 3:00 AM UTC

MrGando wrote: post #189

lemevi wrote: post #150

This author has a history of being on the wrong side of science, and fear mongers on the harms of GMO. For example: http://www.foodrenegade.com/peru-bans-monsanto-gmos/ Just google GMO and this blog: https://www.google.com/search?q=GMO+site%3Afoodrenegade.com

I concede that it's very unlikely to taste the difference between a GMO/non-GMO tomato. But are you okay with Montsanto's practices? There's good science that basically explains that their business model is not doing the best for the planet or the people living in it. It is, indeed reducing bio-diversity as far as I know. Also, their practices are super shady, having lived in latam all my life, I saw the way they got…

Genetically modified foods are not any more harmful than regular foods. If you have a problem with Montsanto then talk about Montsanto, and not spread fear and doubt about a technology that is wholly beneficial and may lead to many lives saved.

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by sparkzilla » Fri, Nov 27, 2015, 3:01 AM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #133

sparkzilla wrote: post #88

On its face, I find this difficult to believe because why would any company pay to add massive amounts of chemicals to something to give it a taste that it has naturally? The most important point in the article is that storage in the oxygen-less tanks deprives the juice of its flavor. No proof is provided of this assertion. When I follow the source link I get a similar article [1] that then is sourced to a similar on…

> any company pay to add massive amounts of chemicals to something to give it a taste that it has naturally? Unless they plan on selling the juice just during harvest time, they need to store it. Try and store some juice you squeezed from oranges even in the refrigerator and see how long it will last and how it will taste. It will last some but not for 6 months. Consistency. Tropicana tastes one way, others taste dif…

>I think it is rather common sense

Common sense is not proof.

>Flavor compounds if done right will not be massive. Have you ever added spices or vanilla to anything you cook or bake. How much of the total volume is it? It usually isn't much.

Then it's not a problem

Re: The Secret Ingredient in Orange Juice

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Post by lemevi » Fri, Nov 27, 2015, 3:05 AM UTC

eadz wrote: post #191

lemevi wrote: post #150

This author has a history of being on the wrong side of science, and fear mongers on the harms of GMO. For example: http://www.foodrenegade.com/peru-bans-monsanto-gmos/ Just google GMO and this blog: https://www.google.com/search?q=GMO+site%3Afoodrenegade.com

Being Anti-GMO doesn't make someone on the wrong side of science. The dangers of GMO from a economic perspective are worthy of worry on their own. If you haven't seen Food Inc, then I would recommend that as a starting point to learn how dangerous the monopolisation of the food industry can be to society. The farmers in Peru want to protect their existing biodiversity, something North America has lost thanks to Monsa…

Like the other commentator, the stated problems in your comment have nothing to do with GMO, they are a problem with a specific company and patent politics. I don't like software patents but I don't go around telling people software is dangerous and that they shouldn't use software.