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Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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Probably not. If you want people to stay, give them a decent financial incentive. I keep seeing this sentiment, but I think it's important to distinguish between "don't give your people worthless equity instead of a good salary" and "I'm just here for the money." Starting to see a lot of the latter around here and it's disheartening. Sure, broken dreams and failed visions and all of that happens, but it's part of the…

There is nothing wrong with being at work just for the money, and it most definitely does not mean you are cynical. Funding a family or a hobby is a rewarding and valuable life to live. Being in it for the money can be a really powerful way to push through a lot of hard and boring work that nobody capable of doing could possibly be passionate about.

I think that is globally true, largely because for the vast majority of people that is the best that they can hope for given their station.

I however am restricting my evaluation to the domain [high-tech] : [startup], which after all is the core demographic for HN and YC more broadly.

In that context I don't think it's an optimal outlook - and in fact I think it is detrimental to the zeitgeist and pushes further away from the PARC roots of paradigm setting technology development.

I grant that in the current environment it's "idealistic" but I think at the core, the real innovators still have the vision of changing the future through technology - at least I do, and I know I'm not alone in that.

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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my perception is - they dont love the internet. they are missing the whole "fuck you, were yahoo, were building the internet" chutzpah which was so charming, and for which we all have a little glowing candlewick in our hearts for. For example .. I really wanted YUI to be usable .. it was so close.. but they didn't listen when people gave them feedback - eg. telling them to polish the table grid widget, this control w…

I read the article - There is not a single bullet point I give a shit about, that isn't summarized by their share price.

I look at the yahoo.com front page, I look at msn.com front page - they look similar and are both spam to a first order approximation.

If they wanted to, they could turn sentiment around in 3 months.

There are so many things they can do :

- become the datafeed API for the internet

- buy a startup thats kicking ass [ and leave them alone to win ]

- buy a tech video review media site thats growing fast

- put up a $200k prize for best Yahoo innovation app

- take 7 devs / designers / product people, put them in a room and let them have at it to make an app

For any of these to work, they have to build a firewall around it, insulating if from the process of a big company, so it feels like a startup.

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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The morale problem is a symptom of bad leadership. It's not going to be fixed with more bad leadership.

Good leadership wouldn't have turned around MySpace. Sometimes, it's too late.

On the flipside, sometimes it seems like we rely on hindsight bias. Would we still be talking about Apple in 2015 if Jobs hadn't come back? Or Tesla if Musk hadn't taken over as CEO in 2007? Both companies had significant uphill battles. And if you had the foresight to imagine Apple in 2015 back in 1997, you're probably a rich man.

Just hypothesizing but imagine if MySpace had focused its industry connections in the music industry to focus more on music instead of social networking, and pushed for an on-demand music streaming player for mobile and desktop. They had millions of dollars in the bank and a head start in the U.S. market over Spotify and Rdio.

Or imagine if Blockbuster video had either taken up Netflix's offer to be bought out or had invested in online streaming long before Netflix.

I'm not saying it's easy or always viable or that luck doesn't play a role, but I often think we discount the potential for a company to still exist today because the only outcome we know of is the outcome that happened rather than the potential of alternate decisions.

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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I see a lot of parallels between Marissa Mayer's tenure at Yahoo and Dick Costolo's tenure at Twitter. Dick left two quarters ago and Twitter is still struggling to meet investor expectations. I have a feeling that there are structural problems at Yahoo, like Twitter, that even a unicorn CEO would have difficulty fixing. A lot of analysts and investors seem very leadership oriented in their blame anyway.

There's a strong cult of personality around our industry, in general. The belief that a special CEO can make a billion dollar company. It ignores the role of luck, the other employees (sometimes there are thousands of employees, as in the case of Yahoo!, and every single one of them can make or break the company in small ways every day), changes in the market, etc. Steve Jobs is the epitome of the Magic CEO archetype…

I wouldn't call NeXT an expensive failure, especially seeing how it laid the framework for Apple's current success. It is hard to say what would have happened if Steve Jobs stayed at Apple in the 80s....he was never actually CEO before 1997 (see http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/08/25/a-look-at-apples-ceos...).

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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It's not enforceable. In the US, you can't enforce an employment contract if it involves forcing someone to work for you. This was partially legislated as a legal defense against indentured servitude.

What about retention bonuses?

You can certainly be forced to pay back a bonus you received by agreeing to work for the company for a certain amount of time.

All I'm saying is that a court can't make you work for any company, even if you sign a super-official-sounding document saying "I'll work for this company for ___ years".

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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Sometimes, well it actually happens quite often, a company just runs its course and is better off just winding things up and closing shop. IMHO it looks like the likely end game for Yahoo is: - taken private by a Private Equity firm - divest Yahoo Japan and Alibaba - any divisions that aren't making an actual profit, (tumblr, flickr, fantasy sports, etc, will be shopped around and sold if possible, or shuttered if no…

> What is Yahoo's area of expertise that they make money at and can do better that Google, Microsoft, Facebook or Amazon?

Fantasy sports.

In much the same way Sega pivoted, Yahoo could.

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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You can bypass the paywall with this link: http://bit.ly/1XdzZgO (Google search the original URL in quotes in future) Sounds like she's in a tough spot. You're pretty much forced into a situation of focusing on the good numbers when you're a public company or you'll get beaten up by the shareholders and shorts. So it's difficult to shine sunlight on the bad stuff to disinfect because that's not what public investors…

You can also bypass the paywall by clicking the 'web' link under the post title on HN.

I am not new at all to HN and never knew this, cool :)

Re: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer Faces Morale Challenge

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Sometimes, well it actually happens quite often, a company just runs its course and is better off just winding things up and closing shop. IMHO it looks like the likely end game for Yahoo is: - taken private by a Private Equity firm - divest Yahoo Japan and Alibaba - any divisions that aren't making an actual profit, (tumblr, flickr, fantasy sports, etc, will be shopped around and sold if possible, or shuttered if no…

i completely agree - its not Marissa fault either - steve jobs couldnt have turned that company around. they probably make a lot of money of fantasy sports though - that would be a lucrative brand to acquire; presumably tumblr is worth money also
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