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Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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What do you mean by that? The border between France and neighboring nations is always open.

It's open but that doesn't mean that everyone who shows up at the gate will be allowed in, right?

Have you crossed a French land border lately? There are no controls. There are no gates between France and other Schengen countries.

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You are trying to rationalize with people who are irrational. They don't reconcile. It sucks. It's depressing.

Terrorism is usually a rational act. It is terrible, but it has political goals. This, for instance, may be aimed at ending the European involvement in Syria and their taking in refugees.

It is only "rational" within an irrational construct, such as extreme religious devotion.

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#153
post #76

I live in Paris and was spending the night in the middle of the hot zone. I was a few hundred meters from the Bataclan but fortunately the area I was in was spared. I tried to get a Uber but they were unavailable, "State of emergency, please stay home", the app said. I took a city bike home, rode about 10kms and barely saw anyone in the streets all the way home. It was really, really weird. I'm awfully sad that peopl…

You are trying to rationalize with people who are irrational. They don't reconcile. It sucks. It's depressing.

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Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

#154

This is scary. This was a well coordinated attack that usually create a lot of chatter before hand. Unlike lone wolf attacks these are somewhat easier to detect. The French intelligence and counter terrorism units are either not doing their best or these terrorist are getting much better at covering their tracks.

How much "chatter" do you really need to coordinate something like this? If it is a small group of just half a dozen people you should be pretty much invisible if you act a bit clever. Coordination can be done via throw away sim cards and personal meetings so you don't really need to communicate that much.

Getting guns, grenades, creating bombs: These things take time, effort and "chatter".

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

#155
post #79

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The far right is already the largest party in France. The reasons for its strength have actually less to do with immigration than the continuous state of crisis of the French economy combined with the corruption of the political establishment. But the Charlie Hebdo attacks in January noticeably increased the anti-islam sentiment in France and I am ready to bet that this night's events will be another step up.

> The reasons for its strength have actually less to do with immigration than the continuous state of crisis of the French economy combined with the corruption of the political establishment. The political establishment in France is in thrall to a radical, globalist agenda that seeks to increase its power by performing 'divide and conquer'. A multicultural society has many more fault lines that can be exploited for p…

Offtopic, but while multiculturalism makes certain things difficult (like congress in the US now, agreeing on policy) diversity also helps in other ways (like being able to understand and deal with those who aren't like you and don't agree with you). One example of an extremely sucessful, multicultural society is Singapore. And, be honest, for all of America's faults, it's still a world power and one of the largest economies in the world.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

#156
post #76

I live in Paris and was spending the night in the middle of the hot zone. I was a few hundred meters from the Bataclan but fortunately the area I was in was spared. I tried to get a Uber but they were unavailable, "State of emergency, please stay home", the app said. I took a city bike home, rode about 10kms and barely saw anyone in the streets all the way home. It was really, really weird. I'm awfully sad that peopl…

If we didn't need to secure their oil by supporting/deposing despots in the region, and didn't want to provide the Israelis with military/political/financial support then we would not be dealing with any of this carnage. Their attempts to fight back will only escalate the situation, and the carnage will continue. Edit: I'm not advocating that we not support Israel. I'm simply stating a hard truth regarding "why they…

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Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

#157
post #97
post #43

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By making the secret services work for their money on real problems, instead of fretting about tapping media pirates and suchlike. By having a foreign policy that does not rely on military intervention at the drop of a hat. By not starting fires all over the place. The list is long and well-known.

I don't think any secret service could prevent any isolated individual to make at home, say, Molotov cocktails, and throw them by car in a crowd.

But these weren't isolated individuals. This was an organised network with grenades and assault rifles and the training to handle them.

This is not a Breivik, or a "Shoe Bomber" Reid; this is '70s-style, organised, cross-border terrorism -- the sort of which "we" were supposed to be good at handling by now.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

#158

This is scary. This was a well coordinated attack that usually create a lot of chatter before hand. Unlike lone wolf attacks these are somewhat easier to detect. The French intelligence and counter terrorism units are either not doing their best or these terrorist are getting much better at covering their tracks.

They knew something was up they just didn't know what. http://sofrep.com/44480/french-and-german-police-knew-paris-...

The weakness of security states is that to "win" the police need a 100% capture rate. The terrorists only have to be successful once.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

#159
post #108

The repeated attacks, heavy immigration of refugees...I'm hoping for the best, but I feel like there is a powder keg here. Whether or not it is based in any fact, how this is handled and plays out is a serious concern.

It's really important to understand the Muslim community in France, and not evoke false connections. We don't know if the attackers had anything to with the flux of Syrian migrants moving across Europe now, but my guess would be: they had nothing to do with it. There are about 5 million Muslims in France, which accounts for about 7 percent of France's total population. France has deep, long-standing and often trouble…

Correction: 1995 attacks killed 8 and injured 100 (Puts the current attack in perspective, I don't think anything similar ever happened)

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

#160
post #141

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Guns and grenades are not that hard to get, even in Europe. The limiting factor is how many people are willing to lay siege to a concert hall and calmly execute a hundred people, and whether some of those people were let in under the guise of "refugees".

> Guns and grenades are not that hard to get, even in Europe. Not hard to get, but when you're talking about dozens of assault rifles, someone somewhere will know what is going where. If your intelligence people are worth their salt, of course. > whether some of those people were let in under the guise of "refugees". Yeah, because it's extremely effective to drop your people for months in a Turkish refugee camp, hopi…

Since the end of the war in former Yugoslavia and the fall of the former USSR Europe is awash with arms of all shapes and sizes. Automatic weapons caches are uncovered with scary regularity and it is not hard to imagine at all that groups with sufficient money can gain access to assault weapons in relatively large numbers.
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