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Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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post #54

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Refugees carry little more than their shirts in their travels. Those guns and grenades didn't come with refugees. End of story.

Guns and grenades are not that hard to get, even in Europe. The limiting factor is how many people are willing to lay siege to a concert hall and calmly execute a hundred people, and whether some of those people were let in under the guise of "refugees".

> Guns and grenades are not that hard to get, even in Europe.

Not hard to get, but when you're talking about dozens of assault rifles, someone somewhere will know what is going where. If your intelligence people are worth their salt, of course.

> whether some of those people were let in under the guise of "refugees".

Yeah, because it's extremely effective to drop your people for months in a Turkish refugee camp, hoping that 1) they will survive in shocking conditions, 2) they will be processed and sent to France, or 3) they will jump on a dinghy and make it to the other side (when chances are that they will just sink), or 4) they will walk through half a dozen borders on high alert and across unsympathetic countries. Pure tactical genius.

More likely, these people had good passports and went through friendly airports smelling of roses. Once on-site, they were armed by existing networks that the French security apparatus still doesn't know how to infiltrate effectively. That's so much easier than leaving people to their own devices across two continents and hope they'll somehow manage to make it to la Gare du Nord at 10 o'clock on Friday morning.

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This soils the reputation of islam. I know some good people (muslims) who suffer from prejudice on a daily basis because of attacks like these. Being a muslim in a foreign country is an increasingly difficult and isolating experience.

Unfortunately in the eyes of many that reputation could not get much lower. What is a bigger problem is that it will further divide nations regardless of reputation of a religion it will affect any and all who are perceived as either Islamic, Arabic, African, dark skinned or any combination of the above in a negative and measurable way.

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This is scary. This was a well coordinated attack that usually create a lot of chatter before hand. Unlike lone wolf attacks these are somewhat easier to detect. The French intelligence and counter terrorism units are either not doing their best or these terrorist are getting much better at covering their tracks.

That is always what they say "we detected a of chatter so we know it was group " after something like this. Perhaps the terrorists have learned not to chat/call/write as much before the act?

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If we didn't need to secure their oil by supporting/deposing despots in the region, and didn't want to provide the Israelis with military/political/financial support then we would not be dealing with any of this carnage. Their attempts to fight back will only escalate the situation, and the carnage will continue. Edit: I'm not advocating that we not support Israel. I'm simply stating a hard truth regarding "why they…

Maaaaaaaybe wait until the bodies have cooled before you start searching for a way to blame the Jews? :(

Israel = nation state. Jews = ethno-religious group.

Completely different.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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You are trying to rationalize with people who are irrational. They don't reconcile. It sucks. It's depressing.

Terrorism is usually a rational act. It is terrible, but it has political goals. This, for instance, may be aimed at ending the European involvement in Syria and their taking in refugees.

Well, this one reeks of "revenge killing". The airstrikes must be taking their toll.

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What do you mean by that? The border between France and neighboring nations is always open.

It's open but that doesn't mean that everyone who shows up at the gate will be allowed in, right?

Under normal circumstances there is no gate to speak of.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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Maaaaaaaybe wait until the bodies have cooled before you start searching for a way to blame the Jews? :(

This has nothing to do with blaming the Jews. The reason for all this carnage is obvious and we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking otherwise.

You're right... but its not the reason, its the excuse.

And a weak one.

Killing civilians doesn't work, and it never has... terrorism never wins... unless your a huge nation like the USA, then it wins...

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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What do you mean by that? The border between France and neighboring nations is always open.

It's open but that doesn't mean that everyone who shows up at the gate will be allowed in, right?

What gates? You can walk or drive from France into Spain or Belgium or Germany and not even notice.

Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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You are trying to rationalize with people who are irrational. They don't reconcile. It sucks. It's depressing.

Terrorism is usually a rational act. It is terrible, but it has political goals. This, for instance, may be aimed at ending the European involvement in Syria and their taking in refugees.

> aimed at ending the European involvement in Syria

I would be quite surprised if the EU decided against further intervention by this. If anything, I would expect them to intervene more.

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