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A new approach to China

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Re: A new approach to China

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Post by andreyf »

jacquesm wrote: post #308
Locke1689 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I think it's kind of interesting. Granted, it was impolite to crosspost the comment from boundless without asking first, but this could be an interesting thought process. I'm kind of wondering what conclusions andreyf was trying to draw. Edit: After a little thought, I think you may be blowing this up a little bit. He did delete the comment when boundless objected and it wasn't exactly a work of art or anyt…

9 Hours later, after parting with this gem: > "As a matter of fact, the reason I cross-posted is that I don't think the comment in question deserved the top spot, and would frankly be ashamed if such writing/logic were ever seriously attributed to me." It's a new low for HN from what I've seen to date.

a new low for HN from what I've seen to date

Agreed. Except you're the one who keeps insisting on dragging out for me to explain myself over something boundlessdreamz and I settled in two comments 10 hours ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1049476

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by boundlessdreamz »

Femur wrote: post #328
boundlessdreamz wrote: post #215

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That is not my reddit id and even if it was what is wrong with doing that ?

I didn't mean to imply that anything was wrong with it, I was just going to see if you often cross-posted.

Almost everyone who responded to your comment thought you implied it was wrong :) I thought so because you used the word "accusation"

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by jacquesm »

boundlessdreamz wrote: post #332
Femur wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't mean to imply that anything was wrong with it, I was just going to see if you often cross-posted.

Almost everyone who responded to your comment thought you implied it was wrong :) I thought so because you used the word "accusation"

I read it like that initially as well, then I figured it might be the reverse.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by jonknee »

varjag wrote: post #283
jacoblyles wrote: post #208

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I thought that was weird. Nowhere in the post do they say that the attacks were done by the Chinese government. We're all just assuming that is the case.

It very much reads between the lines. That's about how much they can go with public accusation without actually having to avoid libel charges and turn up evidence in court. It is quite certain their lawyers worked a lot with the text.

China suing Google for libel-now that would be rich.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by moultano »

netcan wrote: post #60
cwan wrote: post #40

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I have to imagine they have also weighed the business calculus on this. Where they might lose in China for now, will enhance their reputation elsewhere - particularly given how they've come under increased criticism in a wide range of fields. This decision whether intentionally so or in keeping with their stated mission is highly symbolic. Further, don't think this won't help them in China over the long run either. W…

The more right you are, the more significant this is. Already Google have made a lot of people believe that "Don't be Evil" is a good business strategy. Regardless of the truth of this sentiment, it is to the benefit of society. The more the slogan is fleshed out and the more evidence accrues that this is indeed good business practice, the more companies will follow.

I think most people in most companies feel similarly. Unfortunately they don't have Google's cash, so "keep the lights on" becomes a more important consideration than "don't be evil."

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by thaumaturgy »

Femur wrote: post #325
jacquesm wrote: post #275

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Someone mod poor Femur up, he was right all along.

Thanks, but I don't worry about karma. The discussion that followed because of my post was reward enough. :)

I would like to see this be the top thread under the parent comment, however.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by hga »

DrJokepu wrote: post #130

"Gossip from within google.cn is Shanghai office used as CN gov attack stage in US source code network." - wikileaks: http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/7689041346

I've been wondering why Google's response has been so ... ferocious. If the PRC government has been suborning Google's Chinese employees (easy enough for a government that ruthless and powerful) then Google can't really afford to maintain a presence in China ... and they need to let people know on the QT what's happening.

If this is true, it's very serious, worse than e.g. the moles France planted in US companies.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by maxklein »

cellis wrote: post #51
maxklein wrote: post #4

It's easy to shut down the site when you are losing the search game to local competition. In any case, even though I find freedom of speech to be necessary and encouraged, I do not think that Google is right to imply in this blog post that the Chinese government is behind the attacks.

Why do you defend the Chinese government at every chance you get? Edit: I am talking about this http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1036908 in particular.

Because I believe in china, the chinese government and the chinese system. I will defend what I believe in, even though it's obviously shared by very few people here.

I think it would be unusual if I did not defend something I believe in.

And yes, you may think I am wrong, but don't forget that _I_ think you are wrong. What's the difference? If this where a chinese board, you would be the one in the minority.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by _pi »

knv wrote: post #142
cwan wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to imagine they have also weighed the business calculus on this. Where they might lose in China for now, will enhance their reputation elsewhere - particularly given how they've come under increased criticism in a wide range of fields. This decision whether intentionally so or in keeping with their stated mission is highly symbolic. Further, don't think this won't help them in China over the long run either. W…

> When a "glastnost" comes to China I think it's more accurate to say: If a "glastnost" comes to China . There's no rule of thumb that something like that is going to happen in every undemocratic country.

Also if a "glastnost" comes to China it probably won't do anything, same as in the USSR.

Re: A new approach to China

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Post by enomar »

ramchip wrote: post #257
enomar wrote: post #2

We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China. Wow.

Come on. Don't upvote to 36+ a comment that just copies part of the article with "wow" after it. I'm not saying it's wrong and should be downvoted, but still...

I got upvoted because I was the first comment. I extracted the important part of a long blog post.
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