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Re: A new approach to China

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"Gossip from within google.cn is Shanghai office used as CN gov attack stage in US source code network." - wikileaks: http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/7689041346

It says a lot when Google isn't even willing to store any source code in China. Hard to argue with that decision at this point, though.

Re: A new approach to China

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For some background information: GFW research team tried heavily to crack down the SSL certificate for gmail (thus, they can censor the gmail content through GFW).

May hackers do as their conscience! 愿黑客们按照良心做事!

I don't understand. Are you talking about some revenge hacking? Because the only hacking I've heard about is the attempted hack of Google.

Re: A new approach to China

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This is incredible. This is the first time, I have seen a LARGE company * Putting its users above profits * Stand up to Chinese Government. Since accounts of human rights activists were targeted, this operation was clearly done at the behest of Chinese Government. I'm disgusted by the levels to which the Chinese Government can stoop. It is time the world stands up to China. If a corporation, whose main aim is to gene…

How often do you cross-post the exact same comment between HN and reddit? http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aouv5/new_appro... Edit: I may have jumped to conclusions; the individual on reddit may have very well stolen your comment in which case my accusation is invalid.

What's so wrong with saying the same thing in two different conversations?

Re: A new approach to China

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I can't really spend the time to watch that video right now, nor am I in the right context. Could someone summarize it for me? It can't be that what he's saying is that you have to be evil for "don't be evil" to have any meaning, because that would be moronic. But I can't parse any other meaning from this short little quote. Edit: no, that's not what he's saying, but I think I might not have the intellectual capacity…

Honestly, you shouldn't waste too many brain cycles on trying to decode Zizek

I'll take your word for it then.

Re: A new approach to China

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I am so proud of Google right now. It's hard to contain. It is high time somoene stood up to China and let them know enough is enough. I sincerely hope other corporations follow suit. As I mentioned elsewhere, I am sure there is more to the story than is being let on now. I could only imagine the level of corporate espionage that is in play between China and Google. Good for Google calling them on it and making a bro…

Be careful there, your commitment is no different from the conviction of a nationalist approving one's government's actions no matter what is done. You being critical of Google is the only thing guaranteed to keep them in check.

The correct time to criticize organizations to keep them in check is when they have done something worthy of criticism. On the other hand, when they have done things worthy of praise, celebrating them is at worst a no op.

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Maybe it takes a highly sophisticated attach just to get that much out of gmail.

> the theft of intellectual property from Google To me, that implies more than just customer information (i.e. private data in a gmail account).

Total speculation, but source code and private keys would be especially useful if you wanted to crack gmail and track down dissidents or generally read people's email.

Re: A new approach to China

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Major kudos to Google. This is an outstanding outcome. We want to make clear that this move was driven by our executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of our employees in China who have worked incredibly hard to make Google.cn the success it is today. How sad that they had to specify this, or a few of their Chinese employees would risk their freedom, or worst, their lives.

What I read between the lines there was: "We have the feeling that this might have been made possible due to an inside job by one or more of our employees in China. However, we don't know who or to what extent and we'd rather not do our dirty laundry in public." Call me cynical. :/

Dunno why you consider that cynical. It's just realistic, and it wouldn't even indicate bad faith on Google's part or anyone else's if that was the reason under the covers.

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nobody seems to be commenting on the attack part of that post. what was the "highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google"? that doesn't sound like just a few end-user gmail accounts being compromised, but something that was much more serious that may have exposed more information than just what these ch…

For some background information: GFW research team tried heavily to crack down the SSL certificate for gmail (thus, they can censor the gmail content through GFW).

The programmers who work for GFW ( China Greet Firewall using to Prohibit Chinese people access to sensitive political information) will give birth to children without anus

Re: A new approach to China

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It's easy to shut down the site when you are losing the search game to local competition. In any case, even though I find freedom of speech to be necessary and encouraged, I do not think that Google is right to imply in this blog post that the Chinese government is behind the attacks.

The targeting of Chinese human rights activists' email accounts don't seem Suspicious to you? Exactly what /private/ group would have motive for this?

Exactly what /private/ group would have motive for this?

Possibly a human rights activists' group, which knows the implications of such a hack ?

Notice that only the subject line of the emails were accessed, not the contents.

I am not saying that it is the case, but your question brings forth this possibility.

Re: A new approach to China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am so proud of Google right now. It's hard to contain. It is high time somoene stood up to China and let them know enough is enough. I sincerely hope other corporations follow suit. As I mentioned elsewhere, I am sure there is more to the story than is being let on now. I could only imagine the level of corporate espionage that is in play between China and Google. Good for Google calling them on it and making a bro…

> I am so proud of Google right now. I am too, but I think we should remember that China's citizens were and still are being censored, killed, and tortured on a daily basis. Google was fine doing business with them and even assisting in their censorship. Only until Google found itself on the receiving end of China's baton did it finally decide to change their relationship. They deserve kudos and a pat on the back for…

I agree with all of what you've said. The skeptic in me thinks that Google is using this attack as an excuse to offset the PR disaster when Schmidt said the if you have something to hide maybe you shouldn't be doing it speech.
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