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Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by qqqqqqqqqqqqqq1 »

gondo wrote: post #48

as someone mentioned in the blog comment, Fly Maids site is a complete copy (with redesigned homepage) of another cleaning service http://www.homeaglow.com/ @johnsalzarulo out of curiosity, try if your login works on homeaglow.com f.e.: both logos are served from the same S3 bucket: https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/logos/fly_maids.png https://s3q1w2e3.s3.amazonaws.com/brands/logos/homeaglow.png

Maidayy.com also appears to be the same - the privacy policy is almost an exact word-for-word copy of homeaglow etc, and the site design has a lot in common as well. However, it appears to have been registered as early as march?

Their privacy policy appears to be copy-pasted as well:

> we are Maidayy LLC (doing business as Maidayy), a Wisconsin company with our head office at ADDRESS, CITY, STATE USA

edit: just noticed this heading near the bottom:

"Access to Information; Contacting Homejoy:"

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by volaski »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #215
volaski wrote: post #198

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While I think this is a stupid move on the founder's end and there's no debate about that, I disagree with your understanding of what "passion" is. People seem to think most passionate people are born with some sort of pre-assigned passion, but it's something that arises out of your experience and action. Just like Thomas Edison was "passionate" about what he built (but he was super greedy and an asshole too), this g…

I do not think anyone is born with a pre-assigned passion. I just still doubt you can be "passionate" about a "space". That the word "space" is used in this entrepeneurial jargon is not a coincidence. The word "space" is a lack of things, not a thing itself, a vacuum, an absence, an opportunity. An opportunity to make money, specifically. I don't think the firm belief that there's a lot of money to be made in a certa…

You're being too cynical. Why does everything have to do with money? He didn't say he thinks there's money in this. You are the one who did. And there is not even a guarantee that there's money in this "space" either. Rather, this on-demand home-cleaning category is quite gloomy if you look at what's happening to all the companies that belong to it. Maybe you think all "opportunities" are related to money, but to many entrepreneurs it's just a secondary objective.

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by throwaway2048 »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #177
wpietri wrote: post #171

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It's jargon, but people definitely are like that. There are a horde of people who just want to do Bitcoin or VR or video games, for example. They're less concerned with the specific company than something about the tech, the users, or the market.

Oh, I understand being passionate about video games, or VR, or Bitcoin, or even, maybe, although it's a stretch, helping people keep their houses clean. And wanting to work in that area. When you say you're passionate about a "space" though, I think you reveal that all you're really saying is you think you can make a lot of money in that "space". Which isn't passion at all. Well, maybe passionate about making money.…

I think what genuinely defines a passion is, would you do it for free if nobody was going to pay you for it.

On such terms "Passionate about" statements are almost universally crap.

There is nothing wrong with just working for the money, all this instistence people must be "passonate" about their work smells an awful lot like cultish propaganda. It not enough to do your job and get paid, you must LOVE your job!

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by christop »

iamcurious wrote: post #140
aarontcheung wrote: post #125

I'm one of the founders of Homejoy. I'm still very passionate about the home service space. After leaving Homejoy, I started FlyMaids, where we're exploring a few different angles on the space. We recently acquired the customer and service provider data from Homejoy. We're a small team that has been focused on moving quickly while bootstraping. We tried to quickly test different approaches, but we realize now that we…

I'm starting to read "passionate about" as "wanting to make money of". I have to make an effort to read it in the classical sense. I fear the same will happen with "share". And when my kids talk about sharing at school I will only think of flooding with memes or of selling things. Now, I'm not a native english speaker, so I can't say if aarontcheung is misusing the term or not. Is this change happening to the english…

You're certainly not the only one to think that the term is somewhat misused:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz2-49q6DOI

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by ceejayoz »

jmathai wrote: post #216
nostromo wrote: post #158

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Your CC is probably safe on Stripe's servers. Which makes me wonder -- does Stripe allow entire accounts to change hands willy-nilly like this?

Doesn't look like it is stored (only) with Stripe. The profile section of the site (per the blog post screenshot) displays some of the credit card info.

Stripe's API returns the last four digits for a tokenized card so you can display them to users.

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by S_A_P »

Wow. Just wow. This is egregious. I would be incensed. I'm a 39 year old consultant that makes money from technology but I am starting to feel like I'm out of touch and old. This is not ok. If you fail, fail with class and dignity.

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by codezero »

chris_wot wrote: post #214
codezero wrote: post #206

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You're right! Sorry about that. Obviously, I am a huge fan of nit picking, so it's always welcomed :)

Nit picking is fine. I think I was a little bit unfair in my tone towards you in a few of my comments, for which I apologise!

No. I opened this up with a contrarian tone, you were completely civil. Thanks for that!

Re: Didn’t Homejoy Shut Down?

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Post by codezero »

chris_wot wrote: post #212
codezero wrote: post #197

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How could Stripe know if one of their users is out of business and should delete their data? I'm a bit confused (as you already know!) Stripe has API calls to get the last four digits and expiration date. Also, it's not clear that the /payments page isn't secure, the screenshot is of the Profile page. *edit: see my reply to your other comment, didn't realize you were OP, so I will now assume you did check the payment…

First, I want to apologise if my tone has been a bit off on a few of my replies. Stripe is very unlikely to transfer credit card data to an entirely different organisation. They also require evidence of PCI compliance before they will do business with you. As for knowing when your business is being dissolved: I have to refer you to their terms of service, found at https://stripe.com/us/terms You agree to give us at l…

Yep this all makes sense. I still think there's a chance it wasn't transferred at all. Since the founder of Homejoy runs the new site it could be that they're still the same entity and business with the same stripe account. Maybe this has its own implications.

Unfortunately it sounds like the worst case for them is that enough people report them to their payment provider and they get fined. Clearly what they face there is probably not worse than the huge violation of trust their former customers will feel.

By the way thanks for digging into this so much. The Stripe TOS are darn clear here.

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