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YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by serge2k »

ergothus wrote: post #91
JshWright wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can't say "this service has no ads, then include ads" That's exactly what Hulu did with their new "ad-free" option. There are a handful of shows they couldn't license with no ads, so they have a pre-roll ad, and a disclaimer about why.

...and as someone that is considering paying for said ad-free option, this is the sort of thing that makes me think twice...

When you sign up they have a clear disclaimer underneath that list the shows, tells you why they have to show ads, and states that it an ad before and after.

Didn't care about any of those shows so I signed up. Seems reasonable and fair. Hopefully they will get a chance to change the licensing at some point.

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Post by serge2k »

itsbits wrote: post #125
tssva wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like charging a monthly fee to watch videos and sharing a percentage of that fee with creators of the videos.

that means become a NetFlix

NetFlix with community created content.

The problem is why would people pay for it without incentives. People will pay to not have shitty youtube ads forced more and more often.

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Post by zaroth »

jameshart wrote: post #112
chongli wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option 7: Full-time Youtube authors with decent-sized subscriber bases should switch to Patreon for their income. The CPM for Youtube ads is not great and tons of Youtube viewers use ad blockers anyway.

Option 7a, Google launch a patreon-equivalent system for youtube authors to use, and bootstraps a patronage economy.

Which is basically what Red should/could be.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by Merovius »

scrollaway wrote: post #147
kllrnohj wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is your channel even a "partner" channel? If it's just a regular channel you don't get asked, you are just part of the new thing. And what about this do you not like specifically? Are you unhappy that they didn't wine & dine you?

Yes, it is (not my personal channel obviously). And I couldn't care less how they ask me, I care about how it affects the users. And frankly, your thinly veiled attempt to defend them asking me if I'm unhappy that they "didn't wine & dine" with me is utterly disgusting. This is a bad move for users and a bad move for content creators. Blindly defending Google is very passé, you know.

> And I couldn't care less how they ask me, I care about how it affects the users. And frankly, your thinly veiled attempt to defend them asking me if I'm unhappy that they "didn't wine & dine" with me is utterly disgusting. This is a bad move for users and a bad move for content creators.

Why? You haven't yet explained what's bad about it.

> Blindly defending Google is very passé, you know.

Blindly attacking Google, however, is very hip these days.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by tonfa »

NamTaf wrote: post #152

Someone help me out here because I'm not getting it. Why does it matter if the creator is part of the subscription deal? If they're not, just don't pay them their cut of the revenue income? 1) Subscribers will view just as many videos; no bandwidth increase for Google there. 2) Subscribers still don't see ads 3) Creators on the subscription deal get traditional ad revenue for non-subscribers and a share of Red fees f…

My guess would be that for the affected partners, 4) can't happen (they didnt give youtube the rights to not monetize it).

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Post by Merovius »

corndoge wrote: post #103
fpgeek wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since running YouTube isn't cheap and Google isn't a charity, that seems practically equivalent to shutting down YouTube altogether (after some reasonable notice period).

Google runs plenty of other things for free that benefit them by driving traffic to their ad platform in the long run.

But nothing even remotely requiring as much traffic and storage.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by fpgeek »

TrevorJ wrote: post #100
bargl wrote: post #5

I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service. Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal. Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads. Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss. Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and yo…

Or don't roll out a new revenue model that you can't reasonably transition to because it isn't compatible.

Well, sure, you could not roll out a new revenue model that millions of users are interested in because of some holdout content creators [1], but, um, somehow I don't think that's how that meeting would go...

[1] This comment claims that YouTube said over 98% of content watched is signed up ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10429470 ).

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by fpgeek »

6d0debc071 wrote: post #70
bargl wrote: post #5

I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service. Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal. Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads. Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss. Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and yo…

> What would you do? Pay content creators who don't participate and are on monetised accounts as if the Red views had been seeing adverts, show adverts to everyone else. I'd extract money from the red customers for the no advert feature, who would be more invested in the feature because their favourite channels would be on it. The Red customers would extract value from viewing that user's content. I'd still be gettin…

> Pay content creators who don't participate and are on monetised accounts as if the Red views had been seeing adverts, show adverts to everyone else.

Doesn't Google's ability to do that depend on the details of the old agreement? Does anyone know those details?

I could imagine an agreement along the following lines:

1. YouTube will show ads on all of creator's videos.

2. YouTube will pay creator based on some formula (in terms of ad revenue, plays, etc.).

Nothing in that would let YouTube (a) not show ads on the creator's videos or (b) pay the creator based on the hypothetical revenue the ad they didn't show would have earned. YouTube could try to get content owners to sign onto a new agreement that included that, but, um...

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by bad_user »

scrollaway wrote: post #147
kllrnohj wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is your channel even a "partner" channel? If it's just a regular channel you don't get asked, you are just part of the new thing. And what about this do you not like specifically? Are you unhappy that they didn't wine & dine you?

Yes, it is (not my personal channel obviously). And I couldn't care less how they ask me, I care about how it affects the users. And frankly, your thinly veiled attempt to defend them asking me if I'm unhappy that they "didn't wine & dine" with me is utterly disgusting. This is a bad move for users and a bad move for content creators. Blindly defending Google is very passé, you know.

I don't understand. How does it affect users?

Or seems to me that this is a pro-user action. People are gradually using ad-blockers because video ads are fucking annoying. People (like myself and my wife) are also using YouTube downloaders to have some content available offline. YouTube Red is exactly what I wanted and if it didn't happen, oh well, I can go back to being a pirate.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by lmedinas »

eva1984 wrote: post #140
lmedinas wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of these will probably mean Facebook might have an opportunity in Videos. Recently Youtube screwed up with Gaming which cannot compete even close with Twitch, older attempts to provide a premium service also failed now this is just pissing off everybody.

I think youtube gaming is decent, why do you think it is screwed up?

First of all it's only available in US :) second the comment system is weak compared to Twitch not to mention that they will never be able to make a community around it like Twitch did.
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