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YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by Klathmon »

FussyZeus wrote: post #29
Klathmon wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just did (incognito window, vpn on) and i see several videos from creators with less than 1000 subscribers[1][2][3]. I'd say they aren't "super-creators"... In fact the 3rd one has only a handful of videos most of them with under 1000 views. [1] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUKscPY5MjY0I8C1WMw-qSQ [2] https://www.youtube.com/user/Internalsi [3] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwJKPRUkv7IezEkaG7ClQ0g

Wow, well done sir. I don't suppose you're at a location where the music mafia (a.k.a Vevo) wouldn't want their content going? I have no idea what those locations would be, just curious if maybe that's a factor.

No there were plenty of vivo and the other mega-channels there, but saying that they only promote the big guys is disingenuous.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by dingaling »

bsder wrote: post #41
raykaye47 wrote: post #20

Google seems really desparate to make money lately.

Facebook is stomping on GooTube's video dominance by A) not showing ads , B) auto-running Facebook hosted videos while forcing a click for YouTube hosted ones, and C) offering content creators quite a bit better terms, apparently. So, Google has to do something to monetize before somebody coughs to the fact that YouTube's numbers are dropping.

However Facebook requires potential viewers to log-in to view videos, which completely nullifies their service as a spontaneous click-link-and-watch option. Also prevents embedding.

Remember that well under half of the Internet's population have a Facebook account.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by falcolas »

praxulus wrote: post #15

Is there any good reason for content creators to refuse to sign? It sounds like they earn just as much money, so what's the issue? Sure, being forced to sign a contract is lame, but the new contract doesn't seem to harm them in any way.

> It sounds like they earn just as much money, so what's the issue?

If you produce content which is of average or above length. If you produce short but informative videos, you will end up penalized under the revenue sharing model.

It's also unclear what happens to your share of revenue if you have sponsored content.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by bisby »

> Google says the goal is to offer consistency, so people thinking about subscribing to Red don’t have to worry about their favorite content not being available in the ad-free service.

Except now your favorite content is still not on the ad-free service. If me subscribing to Red was based on content X being available, removing the content entirely is not going to make me subscribe. that's stupid.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by JshWright »

ars wrote: post #12
bargl wrote: post #5

I think this is a bad decision but let's look at Googles options for showing content to users who pay for their service. Option 1: Don't show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal. Option 2: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but include ads. Option 3: Show you videos from creators who don't sign it's deal, but eat the loss. Option 4: Remove videos from creators who don't sign, and yo…

Yah, Google did the right thing here. You can't say "this service has no ads, then include ads", and you can't say "if you subscribe you see less videos". They really had no other good choice except force them to sign up, or loose revenue sharing status.

> You can't say "this service has no ads, then include ads"

That's exactly what Hulu did with their new "ad-free" option. There are a handful of shows they couldn't license with no ads, so they have a pre-roll ad, and a disclaimer about why.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by simonk »

scrollaway wrote: post #49
simonh wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get the same vides everyone else does, which is all that matters when you're considering whether to take out a Red subscription or not.

Just because Google is forcing everybody's hand doesn't mean everybody will follow suit. My channel certainly won't, simply because I don't like how they're doing this - to hell if I lose viewership because of it. PS: downvotes for facts without any actual explanation is really lame.

Well then your channel won't be on Youtube.

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by bsder »

dingaling wrote: post #52
bsder wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is stomping on GooTube's video dominance by A) not showing ads , B) auto-running Facebook hosted videos while forcing a click for YouTube hosted ones, and C) offering content creators quite a bit better terms, apparently. So, Google has to do something to monetize before somebody coughs to the fact that YouTube's numbers are dropping.

However Facebook requires potential viewers to log-in to view videos, which completely nullifies their service as a spontaneous click-link-and-watch option. Also prevents embedding. Remember that well under half of the Internet's population have a Facebook account.

> which completely nullifies their service as a spontaneous click-link-and-watch option

Agreed. I, personally, can't stand Facebook. However, most of the people I know who create videos now only upload to Facebook so I had to make a Facebook account. The eyeballs follow the content. So, the question is, "Why are the content creators ignoring YouTube?"

And, actually, with pre-roll ads, YouTube did a good job of wiping out spontaneous already. It's not unusual for me to to click link, ad starts, close tab. I doubt it's coincidence that .gifv started taking off after pre-roll YouTube ads became ubiquitous (before you'd just link the YouTube video).

Re: YouTube Will Remove Videos of Creators Who Don’t Sign Its Red Subscription Deal

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Post by ars »

simonk wrote: post #56
scrollaway wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because Google is forcing everybody's hand doesn't mean everybody will follow suit. My channel certainly won't, simply because I don't like how they're doing this - to hell if I lose viewership because of it. PS: downvotes for facts without any actual explanation is really lame.

Well then your channel won't be on Youtube.

Either not on Youtube or it will stay up but won't have any ads, and he won't have any revenue.
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