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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by ascorbic »

hussong wrote: post #199
WildUtah wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jogging, fried chicken, and coffee shops. Yup. You'd be paying fines and penalties if you posted this from the USA. I doubt there'd be criminal prosecution under 42 USC unless you repeatedly continued posting this kind of content after warnings, but that is not legal advice. It's illegal for anyone involved in the housing or real estate industries to propagate racist information. Also it's illegal to advocate racist…

Are jogging, fried chicken and coffee shops clear signals for specific parts of the population outside the US as well? I live in Berlin and would have trouble correlating any of the above with distinct subsets of the population -- all kinds of people from natives to immigrants, young and old, rich and poor go jogging, eat fried chicken (or Döner) and have coffee.

Fried chicken doesn't have racial connotations in the UK, just class ones.

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Post by Cakez0r »

rockmeamedee wrote: post #142
DannoHung wrote: post #31

This analysis would be tremendously racist in America.

I don't think it would be. Yes, the basis for the hypothesis is fried chicken -> black people and craft coffee -> white hipsters. But that's actually what happens with gentrification. Diverse neighbourhoods get plowed over with rich white people. Using race in an analysis doesn't make it racist. OP saying they wouldn't want to live in the places with fried chicken, in the context above (KFC->black people) would be. I…

"the basis for the hypothesis is fried chicken -> black people and craft coffee -> white hipsters"

Unless I missed something in the article (please feel free to chew me out if I missed it...) you have just completely put words in the author's mouth. I have no idea where you got that correlation from, but I don't see it anywhere in the blog post.

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Post by [deleted] »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #237
Zergy wrote: post #215

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Doesn't matter. A particular group doesn't get to define racism for the rest of the population.

That's empirically false. "Racism" is whatever speech will convince enough people to call you "racist", and one person in twenty is more than enough to do it.

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by jqm »

nwienert wrote: post #221
jqm wrote: post #212

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While not necessarily "excuse making", the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard). I believe, in general, the reasons poor people don't exercise are not that at all, but results from the same types of behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty. I'm not assigning cause necessarily... I agree when you say the problem is likely often cultural. People f…

Woah, I think you're way off here. All class systems are a result of how you're raised. Raise a "poor" person in a rich family and they will be smarter, more healthy, etc. Likewise take a rich baby and put it in a poor family and watch it's environment mold it. Humans in general are striking similar physically. We are all homo-sapiens. It's almost entirely nurture, it was sad to read your comment because to deny that…

I don't know how much nature/nurture is involved. I assume some percentage of each in most cases. And, I'm not blaming victims nor suggesting people pull themselves up by their bootstraps in the face of massive adversity (which is what people often appear to assume when "responsibility" is mentioned).

Very simply, I don't think being overworked is the leading cause of the negative correlation between poverty and exercise (if one even exists). Instead, a confounding variable (a behavior or attitude) common to both poverty and lack of exercise exists and results in a manifestation of both (in most, but certainly not all cases).

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Post by digital_ins »

hueving wrote: post #68
smikhanov wrote: post #41

A more interesting indicator that authors may consider is how many people living in the area do jogging. When I moved to London's SE4 postcode three years ago (it's pretty close to Peckham, FWIW), the regeneration of the area has just started and the more middle-class looking people appeared around, the more men and women in running gear were visible in the streets in the morning. Poor on average take worse care of t…

That only works if outdoor jogging is strong in the culture. I've spent time in France and jogging through the neighborhood I was in (mid class) was quite out of place.

to what you're saying - I would think jogging would be a prime example of 'network' effect. If you head out to Beverly Hills, you don't see anyone jogging except the dog walkers. But in certain parts of say, Hyderabad in India, the super-rich areas have massive number of 'walkers' (even though the air is highly polluted and walking there is probably detrimental)

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Post by Cakez0r »

plonh wrote: post #153
oneJob wrote: post #147

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Here's to hoping that you're just trolling. Your reply injects very specific racial and socio-economic biases as if they were already assumed and understood. Which, in this context, is basically racism.

How can you accuse parent of injecting biases, when the parent was reacting to the claim of racism?

Because the parent comment stated "Yes, the basis for the hypothesis is fried chicken -> black people and craft coffee -> white hipsters" as if it were a matter of fact. The blog post makes no mention of skin colour at all (that I can see) and the racial connotations are entirely those of the parent - hence injecting racial bias.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by jqm »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #253
jqm wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While not necessarily "excuse making", the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard). I believe, in general, the reasons poor people don't exercise are not that at all, but results from the same types of behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty. I'm not assigning cause necessarily... I agree when you say the problem is likely often cultural. People f…

>the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard) The original poster did not claim that. The poster claimed that they would be restricted in how much energy could be expended elsewhere due to the amount energy expended acquiring income. >behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty Such as? I'm not sure lazy and sloppy are really behaviors or attitudes. Th…

"The poster claimed that they would be restricted in how much energy could be expended elsewhere due to the amount energy expended acquiring income."

Wait...how exactly is that different from "working too hard to exercise"?

Sure, everything is subjective. Everything is a matter of degree and scale and perspective. Still... certain attitudes and behaviors are more likely to result in certain outcomes. This is true irrespective of "who is at fault".

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Post by ascorbic »

Cakez0r wrote: post #277
desas wrote: post #254

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Sorry, I meant British African Americans

Is this genuinely something that someone would say in America, or are you just making a tongue-in-cheek remark?

I'd imagine it's a reference to a (possibly apocryphal) interview with Kris Akabusi. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2bf9fw/black_peo...

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Post by ethbro »

dang wrote: post #154
ethbro wrote: post #49

> Poor on average take worse care of their health and fitness Not intended to be snarky, as I grok the intent of your comment, but poor also don't typically have time to come home and go for an hour jog with frequency during the week.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10392481 and marked it off-topic.

Fair enough. But how is it substantially different from the current comment in its place?

"myth_buster 6 hours ago

   Poor on average take worse care of their health and fitness
I think it can be primarily attributed to the low income jobs being more physically and emotionally draining which result in them being sapped by the time they reach home.

This can also be witnessed in the amount of nurture they can provide to their offspring. An interesting argument in one of the Quora thread about being rich was that financial freedom let's them have the flexibility to spend more time with their kids"

PS: Thanks for all the moderation work!

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Post by Cakez0r »

ascorbic wrote: post #288
Cakez0r wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this genuinely something that someone would say in America, or are you just making a tongue-in-cheek remark?

I'd imagine it's a reference to a (possibly apocryphal) interview with Kris Akabusi. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2bf9fw/black_peo...

Ah, thanks! I didn't realise that was a thing...
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