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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Maybe poor on average can't exercise or buy health shit because they are working enriching those fucking joggers lives by working in factories, restaurants, kitchen, toilet and whatever other material whims of the privileged.

You seem pretty angry about the fact that some people work in restaurants and some people go jogging in the morning.

You clearly exhibit lack of empathy, a common trait of a psychopath.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Doesn't matter. A particular group doesn't get to define racism for the rest of the population.

That's empirically false. "Racism" is whatever speech will convince enough people to call you "racist", and one person in twenty is more than enough to do it.

Whats empirically false changes person to person and culture to culture as demonstrated by your arbitrary definition of racism. I do not define Racism as actions other find racist.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Who's making excuses? Poor people often come from poor cultures -- ones that don't place value on things like jogging in the morning. That's just a fact, it isn't an excuse or a statement about personal control. And we, as a society, have the ability to influence both individual behavior and culture, so it doesn't even matter which one you want to assign blame to.

While not necessarily "excuse making", the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard). I believe, in general, the reasons poor people don't exercise are not that at all, but results from the same types of behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty. I'm not assigning cause necessarily... I agree when you say the problem is likely often cultural. People f…

>the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard)

The original poster did not claim that. The poster claimed that they would be restricted in how much energy could be expended elsewhere due to the amount energy expended acquiring income.

>behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty

Such as? I'm not sure lazy and sloppy are really behaviors or attitudes. They seem to just be your subjective judgement of someone else.

Behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty are probably those that inhibit learning.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Fried chicken is general is associated with African Americans, particularly of lower-middle or lower status. Coffee shops in general are associated with younger, upper-middle class white people. That's not to say there aren't areas where it doesn't hold true very often, but that's the general sentiment.

Is that group still called "African Americans" when they are born and raised in England?

Sorry, I meant British African Americans

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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This analysis would be tremendously racist in America.

This analysis would be perceived by hyper-sensitive Liberals as racist, even if it had validity to its claim. And in the next breath they would lament the lack of "real conversations" we're having in the country.

"conversations", the most Orwellian word of our time. Real meaning: "we talk, you listen"

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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post #242

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Fried chicken is general is associated with African Americans, particularly of lower-middle or lower status. Coffee shops in general are associated with younger, upper-middle class white people. That's not to say there aren't areas where it doesn't hold true very often, but that's the general sentiment.

Is that group still called "African Americans" when they are born and raised in England?

I misinterpreted hussong's comment, I thought they were asking about the US specifically. My bad!

As desas said, I meant British African Americans ;)

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Jogging, fried chicken, and coffee shops. Yup. You'd be paying fines and penalties if you posted this from the USA. I doubt there'd be criminal prosecution under 42 USC unless you repeatedly continued posting this kind of content after warnings, but that is not legal advice. It's illegal for anyone involved in the housing or real estate industries to propagate racist information. Also it's illegal to advocate racist…

Wait, What? There is a law against giving racist real estate advice? That, isn't actually true, is it? You are joking? Is that actually true?!

While I"m not familiar with specific laws in this area, the practice known as "redlining" is a serious issue that has been a big force for keeping segregation alive de facto.

If this is new information for you (it really shouldn't be, but better late than never), I strongly recommend reading Ta-Nehisi Coates's impressive history and analysis of the racist problems in the housing industry.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case...

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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> As applied in the US (not the original article, but I suspect where nsxwolf is talking about), the Federal Fair Housing Act (Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968) would prohibit certain questions from being answered. I can't find anything in your source to support that claim that answering questions would be prohibited, in fact, it seems to directly contradict the claim about merely providing an opinion on sc…

It comes under the racial steering section

> It comes under the racial steering section

The racial steering section does not support the claim that answering questions is prohibited (in fact, it specifically as I quoted identifies that courts have held that proof of discriminatory motive is required in steering cases.)

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Poor on average take worse care of their health and fitness I think it can be primarily attributed to the low income jobs being more physically and emotionally draining which result in them being sapped by the time they reach home. This can also be witnessed in the amount of nurture they can provide to their offspring. An interesting argument in one of the Quora thread about being rich was that financial freedom let'…

I think that's wildly speculative. A physically draining job should keep one somewhat fit and healthy, after all. That's to say nothing of the fact that the poorest people I've seen in the U.S. don't even have jobs . Their children too, are obese - which really suggests that it's more of a culture issue.

  A physically draining job should keep one somewhat fit and healthy, 
  after all. 
Not necessarily, ex a waiter or a sales person would be drained by the end of the day but that doesn't make them fit and healthy.

  Their children too, are obese - which really suggests that it's 
  more of a culture issue.
There is a premium on healthy food while inexpensive food are fatty. "Organic produce" is multi-billion dollar industry.

The not so expensive meat that is available are frozen and/or have hormones & preservatives.

If you live off of "Dollar menu" you can't expect to be healthy. Most of the homeless are obese.

If I'm perpetually hungry the chances are that I'll eat food that will take longer to digest and in turn make me hungry lesser times during the day.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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However, just based on my prejudices, I'd claim that those that do work crazy hours across three jobs typically do not need to go jogging, they get some exercise when moving from one job to another. They are also not necessarily the poorest in the income poverty sense, although their situation is quite clearly the most unfair.

> However, just based on my prejudices, I'd claim that those that do work crazy hours across three jobs typically do not need to go jogging, they get some exercise when moving from one job to another. All the hours spent in the tube and in the bus will leave you sore and aching, but that doesn't quite suffice to call it a workout.

Still it's a lot more physical activity than sitting on a couch. Or commuting to a convenient office by car.

For example, making six tube trips involves so much walking that it equals to a modest jog.

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