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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Pawnshops, payday loan services, barber shops... And pubs closed down, because it is too dangerous for them to operate. Also signs on restaurants "Customer only toilets"

Why barber shops? Don't well-to-do people also go to the barber to get their hair cut?

Of course not. They go to their stylist!

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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I wonder if the choice of meats is a regional thing. I would definitely not peg chicken as characteristic of China, but I've never been anywhere near Shenzhen.

Chicken is sort of a stereotype of China where I come from (Poland) - probably because most of the "chinese" restaurants serve primarily all possible permutations of chicken. What surprised me though is that sea food seems also extremely popular here - you can buy all kinds of crayfish, snails, lobsters, etc.

I think chicken is pretty popular in US Chinese restaurants as well.

Seafood is a big thing in Beijing too. I've been out to a lot of restaurants with my Chinese in-laws and almost every meal includes a whole baked fish, and other aquatic creatures besides.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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I'm not an American, but I believe they are referring to the racist meme that associates fried chicken to Americans of non-white ethnicities. This differs from the UK where fried chicken is more associated with the lower classes than a particular race.

And also coffee shops are associated to white people.

Wait. I must not have gotten the memo. I hate coffee and love fried chicken.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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So besides "chicken shops" which must be a regional indicator for poor or undesirable what other establishments are also present? There should be an obvious transition type of business that precedes the coffee shop. Combined with chicken shops perhaps the availability of different businesses could give entrepreneurs an indicator where to set up similar or buy up space?

Pawnshops, payday loan services, barber shops... And pubs closed down, because it is too dangerous for them to operate. Also signs on restaurants "Customer only toilets"

Yeah I would say pawn shops and payday loan services are the biggest indicators of a neighborhood in decline. They seem like the two predatory businesses that show up just as a neighborhood is seeing people with any money leave.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Only if you think of it that way... I don't think someone could legitimately be offended by this.

Context is everything. If this were featured in a US publication, the innuendo would certainly be strong.

Then people would be making mountains of molehills and Obama's speech on outrage culture would apply.

Sure, people might get mad, but there wouldn't be any justification for it.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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So besides "chicken shops" which must be a regional indicator for poor or undesirable what other establishments are also present? There should be an obvious transition type of business that precedes the coffee shop. Combined with chicken shops perhaps the availability of different businesses could give entrepreneurs an indicator where to set up similar or buy up space?

I'd look at what type of cars are parked in the street at night.

Now that's an interesting indicator - many of these are variations of the same theme and lagging indicators. Yours is (except for areas in immediate transitions) a real time indicator idea. At least in the US.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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There's no justification for the assumption of a high coffee-to-chicken ratio implying up-and-coming. It's not an unreasonable assumption, but it's definitely anecdotal.

Peckham! But yes I agree, though it's tempting to draw a link...

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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This analysis would be tremendously racist in America.

A less suggestive alternative might be to replace fried chicken with Chinese take-out.

Not quite sure if that's sarcasm...

In the US I would try to figure out whatever the region's blue collar / working poor's food choices might be. Usually it's big label fast food franchises but there are locality-specific ones. In the southeast where I am, barbecue places are rather common and eaten frequently yet absent from a lot of affluent communities even though it's a traditional food that's eaten across socioeconomic barriers.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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post #94
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And also coffee shops are associated to white people.

Wait. I must not have gotten the memo. I hate coffee and love fried chicken.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/80400530/pdf/DBri...

>white American adults drink about three times as much coffee as blacks.

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