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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by 5h »

ubernostrum wrote: post #20
Xophmeister wrote: post #3

There's no justification for the assumption of a high coffee-to-chicken ratio implying up-and-coming. It's not an unreasonable assumption, but it's definitely anecdotal.

It's anecdotal, but enough reliable anecdotes do actually turn into "data". My personal marker has always been, when visiting a city for the first time, to pay attention to the roadside advertisements I see on the ride from the airport to the city center. Aside from obvious things like payday/title loan shops, the most reliable indicator I've seen of a neighborhood being badly off is ads for cheap dentures and dental…

Being london, fried chicken shops attract late night drunken folk wandering around doing what late night drunken folk will do.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by osullivj »

mhax wrote: post #24

"Not many outlets selling fried chicken"... in Peckham?? I'm not sure the authors data is all that accurate.

I wasn't surprised to see that Tottenham seems to have the highest density of fried chicken. But I was surprised to see it seems to have more than SE LDN...

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by arethuza »

Shivetya wrote: post #54

So besides "chicken shops" which must be a regional indicator for poor or undesirable what other establishments are also present? There should be an obvious transition type of business that precedes the coffee shop. Combined with chicken shops perhaps the availability of different businesses could give entrepreneurs an indicator where to set up similar or buy up space?

I'd look at what type of cars are parked in the street at night.

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Post by elcct »

Shivetya wrote: post #54

So besides "chicken shops" which must be a regional indicator for poor or undesirable what other establishments are also present? There should be an obvious transition type of business that precedes the coffee shop. Combined with chicken shops perhaps the availability of different businesses could give entrepreneurs an indicator where to set up similar or buy up space?

Pawnshops, payday loan services, barber shops... And pubs closed down, because it is too dangerous for them to operate. Also signs on restaurants "Customer only toilets"

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by spacecowboy_lon »

throwaway049 wrote: post #29

This analysis is too broad-brush. Although London has richer and poorer neighborhoods, it is common for luxury property to be right across the street from much cheaper property.

Much cheaper in London terms is course < 1 million for a 2 bed flat.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by jfg »

mhax wrote: post #24

"Not many outlets selling fried chicken"... in Peckham?? I'm not sure the authors data is all that accurate.

Yeah, looking at the Google maps location of chicken shops in Peckham brings up only about half the shops that are actually there.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by hueving »

smikhanov wrote: post #41

A more interesting indicator that authors may consider is how many people living in the area do jogging. When I moved to London's SE4 postcode three years ago (it's pretty close to Peckham, FWIW), the regeneration of the area has just started and the more middle-class looking people appeared around, the more men and women in running gear were visible in the streets in the morning. Poor on average take worse care of t…

That only works if outdoor jogging is strong in the culture. I've spent time in France and jogging through the neighborhood I was in (mid class) was quite out of place.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by hueving »

elcct wrote: post #64
Shivetya wrote: post #54

So besides "chicken shops" which must be a regional indicator for poor or undesirable what other establishments are also present? There should be an obvious transition type of business that precedes the coffee shop. Combined with chicken shops perhaps the availability of different businesses could give entrepreneurs an indicator where to set up similar or buy up space?

Pawnshops, payday loan services, barber shops... And pubs closed down, because it is too dangerous for them to operate. Also signs on restaurants "Customer only toilets"

Bars on the windows and doors.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by yummyfajitas »

ethbro wrote: post #49

> Poor on average take worse care of their health and fitness Not intended to be snarky, as I grok the intent of your comment, but poor also don't typically have time to come home and go for an hour jog with frequency during the week.

Is this true? The general stereotype when I lived in the UK is that the poor were mostly non-workers who subsisted based on public assistance. If true, then they have plenty of time.

In the US this is certainly true. The lowest earning category has 30 minutes/day more leisure time than the highest.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.t11.htm

Anyone know where to find the UK equivalent of the ATUS?

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