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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by nothrabannosir » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 9:53 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #651

hkmurakami wrote: post #642

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This is what I was hopeful for when VAIO was spun off of SONY last year. When I saw the "machined magnesium body" line in their video [1] I was immediately reminded of the VAIO laptops that had beautiful material way back in the 90's. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVfOe5mFbAE&feature=youtu.be

I still miss the z series... But the z series had ethernet ports. This surface thing is useless to me.

You'll probably be best served by the (ugliest ever) "surface dock." See the same page.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by rbanffy » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 9:54 PM UTC

bitsoda wrote: post #154

I'm not crazy about paying extra for the tablet capability and hinge as I'll only ever use it in laptop mode, also curious that there's no USB-C port. However, I'm glad Microsoft is showing its OEMs what a proper Windows laptop should be. The OEMs have been shitting the bed on this for years.

That hinge will not last 10 minutes in my backpack. Or, if the hinge survives, either the base-keyboard or the display-motherboard will bend enough to break whatever is inside them.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by oblio » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 9:59 PM UTC

Twirrim wrote: post #692

sampo wrote: post #655

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> Let's say we're talking about ThinkPad T.. Which model? > T440p, T450, T450s, T540p, or T550? T450s. When looking for a competitor to Apple, go for the T-series, but also take a look at the X-series. T5XX has 15" screen and numpad in the keyboard, so unless you like numpad, forget those. 440 is the older series, before it there was 430 series, and presently 450 is the current line. "p" stands for "performance", bas…

> When looking for a competitor to Apple, go for the T-series, but also take a look at the X-series. Sure. Joe Average has no clue about that though. Most of the main vendors suffer from the same proliferation of models. Look at Dell: Latitude - For Business Vostro - for Small Business (WTF? Why is this a different model from Latitude?) Inspiron - For Home and Home Office (Seriously? Why isn't this satisfied by eithe…

Plus their sites are abysmal. It's like they were built with technology from the 90's and nobody told them about UX.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by ladzoppelin » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 9:59 PM UTC

nogridbag wrote: post #701

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>That's what the OEMs get for not being able to put out a laptop that could compete with Apple in all those years Dell XPS line-up is quite nice, and on par with any Apple laptop.

That's what all the Dell XPS reviews said 2 or 3 years ago too. So I thought I would surprise my wife with a Dell XPS Signature Edition laptop for Christmas. Everything from the touchpad, to the display, to the flexing keyboard, to the cheap looking hinge was truly awful and no where near the quality of the equivalent Macbook of the time. A few months later she got a Macbook Air from her company and the XPS has been…

I own a Dell XPS 15 and comparing it to a Macbook air is complete nonsense.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by togusa » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:02 PM UTC

kuschku wrote: post #533

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You'd be wrong (at least for grep) http://www.jwgoerlich.us/blogengine/post/2013/01/21/Grep-ver...

Except, GNU grep is even faster than Select-String, if you run it on a better filesystem.

NTFS is only a turd on lots of small writes. It really flies on reads.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by egypturnash » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:03 PM UTC

outworlder wrote: post #681

freshhawk wrote: post #663

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The human biases related to paradox of choice type issues are real, but there are all sorts of ways to manage that for yourself. You end up with something objectively better if push through the psychological toll that a lot of choices takes on humans. Sometimes this is clearly worthwhile, sometimes not. It's totally reasonable to make the choice that a lowest common denominator set of features is acceptable if it mea…

What advantage do we have with this whole confusion of product lines with meaningless names? In many cases they could be replaced by a couple of lines with optionals for customization and that's it.

yeah. My Mac Air is a custom build - but getting to it was a conceptually simple process. Mac Pro/iMac/Mac Mini/Macbook Pro/Mac Air? Low-end Air or high-end Air? Want to customize that?

Apple's got about fourteen separate computers they'll sell you (plus tablets/phones), but that's folded away behind six distinct products that come in two or three stock configurations. If you had to choose between those fourteen things up front it'd be a lot more conceptually complicated.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by nilkn » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:03 PM UTC

When I got my first MacBook back in 2008, it was a revolution for me. The industrial design, the multitouch trackpad that actually worked 100% of the time, the backlit keyboard, the battery life, the trackpad-friendly OS -- these all worked together to make me wonder how other laptop manufacturers had got it so astoundingly wrong.

I haven't had that feeling since then. Sure, the MacBook Air came out and it was amazingly thin. Now there's Force Touch, and that's quite nice as well. But this whole time I've just been waiting for somebody, Apple or not, to blow me away the same way I was blown away ~8 years ago, to do something that makes you wonder how everyone else got it so wrong.

Is this that moment? I don't know, but it might be.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by WorldWideWayne » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:04 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #588

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #232

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Oh no, "melling" thinks my response was pointless and irrelevant - what to do? Does anyone else find it hilarious that this is coming from a guy who cares about USB-C which is largely pointless and irrelevant in this thread? You got all the responses and downvotes that you deserve.

This comment breaks the HN guidelines. Please comment civilly and substantively, or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Thanks. So is rudely telling someone that they "went off on some pointless irrelevant rant" and introducing pointless flamewar material in the response before that.

Instead of playing back at them, I guess I'll just post the rules next time.

- "Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation. Avoid gratuitous negativity."

- "Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them."

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by aceperry » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:06 PM UTC

I'm amazed that Microsoft has introduced a laptop that is worthy of going head to head with the best. All of the specs look great and it looks like it could possibly replace my beloved Chromebook Pixel (the original). If linux can be installed on it easily, it would probably be my next computer.

Very interesting to see a "pen first" interface which I hope works much better than that shitty "touch first" interface in Windows 8. I don't care what the fanbois say, windows 8 sux! Windows 10 is a major improvement in usability compared to 8, so I hope MS is back on track to making productive systems. If the new surface book works as good as it looks, MS is back on track to being relevant in the computing landscape.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by bonesinger » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:08 PM UTC

scholia wrote: post #564

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I still have my beta Viewsonic Mira unit, along with a non-branded one. And an unopened first-gen Zune, hah! Mira worked fairly well, and we used it to control what was at that time a Homeseer-based home automation setup, but battery life was awful (battery tech has come a LONG way since then).

> And an unopened first-gen Zune, hah! A family heirloom! It was actually a pretty good standalone MP3 player, for its day. (Just forget about the fairly useless sharing functions, and the marketing.)

It really is. I sold my 7 year old Zune a few months ago for $100 on ebay. Solidly built, fantastic device.