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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by cm2187 »

hkmurakami wrote: post #642
tmd83 wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This! At least from the initial look and spec it looks like they did a lot of the things right and put effort in making this nice. Yes there are things that maybe I can get by without but the basics looks fantastic. You don't chip $50 off a premium laptop and make it crappy. OEM just keeps making too many model at every price point .. at every 20 dollars it feels like. While I hate the almost singular choice for OsX…

This is what I was hopeful for when VAIO was spun off of SONY last year. When I saw the "machined magnesium body" line in their video [1] I was immediately reminded of the VAIO laptops that had beautiful material way back in the 90's. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVfOe5mFbAE&feature=youtu.be

I still miss the z series... But the z series had ethernet ports. This surface thing is useless to me.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by scholia »

jiantastic wrote: post #117

Curious how Microsoft can enter the market this openly. Don't they have an agreement of some sort with hardware manufacturers ( HP, Dell etc) that they won't enter the market?

Dell and HP have signed up to sell the Surface Pro line.

See my earlier comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10342009

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by sergiotapia »

eru_iluvatar wrote: post #483

Did anyone notice that this site is rather sexist? There's not a single image on that site of a woman using the laptop. The closest image is of a person who looks like they could be a woman under the "Key Features" > "Ultimate performance" text block, but since they don't show the person's face there's no way to know. The only women on the page are at the bottom, being the support woman and the woman sitting next to…

PLEASE let this be satire.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by lqdc13 »

Joeri wrote: post #523
kuschku wrote: post #490

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They can make it better than MS's offering because they are providing you with exactly what you need. Take for example me, compsci student. I wanted to have a sub-600€ laptop with good hardware and good battery life, but did not care much about display. I ordered a thinkpad, replaced the HDD with an SSD, and am now happy with it. The trick is called customization: Being better because they can deliver exactly what yo…

No, they really do have too many models. The yoga line is nice, but they clearly don't invest much individual resources on the design of each of the other models, which tends to make them generic. I have a work-supplied s540, and it's a decent workhorse laptop, but a macbook it is not. It's too generic for that. I was also pretty disappointed that the coating had blemishes. Even a cursory visual QA check would have d…

There is nothing more generic than a macbook

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by sampo »

nogridbag wrote: post #481
pcunite wrote: post #363

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Exactly this ... outside of ThinkPad, many Windows hardware options have been pretty embarrassing.

I'm relatively unfamiliar with ThinkPads and happened to be looking at them yesterday. Here's my problem with ThinkPads (as well as most other Windows laptop vendors): http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/?menu-id=laptops Which ThinkPad are you talking about? ThinkPad X, ThinkPad T, ThinkPad W, ThinkPad Yoga, ThinkPad E, ThinkPad L, or ThinkPad Helix, or ThinkPad 11E? Let's say we're talking about ThinkPad T.. Which…

> Let's say we're talking about ThinkPad T.. Which model?

> T440p, T450, T450s, T540p, or T550?

T450s.

When looking for a competitor to Apple, go for the T-series, but also take a look at the X-series.

T5XX has 15" screen and numpad in the keyboard, so unless you like numpad, forget those. 440 is the older series, before it there was 430 series, and presently 450 is the current line.

"p" stands for "performance", basically it's a laptop with an NVIDIA GeForce graphics card, if you are heavily into gaming or video production. It makes the laptop thicker, heavier and consume more power. Usually you forget the "p" option. Also Apple makes do with just the integrated Intel graphics, so we don't need NDIVIA either.

"s" is maybe for "slim". T4XXs is the flagship, and the plain T4XX is an economy version. The T4XXs is, in my opinion, the best competitor for Apple laptops.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mtw »

JacobDensly wrote: post #453
aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

So the Surface Book must be a fantastic device. Given that there's seems nothing else to hate about ...

it's contradictory to have a premium device such as the Book & then have a basic webpage that doesn't load.

Traffic on launch day should not be a problem. They've been advertising microsoft Azure and the infrastructure for years. If you are web startup and launching, this is a bad sign. Better go with other providers who can scale properly

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by scholia »

miahi wrote: post #298

Not different than most current offers on laptops, the keyboard still looks horrible for programming[1]. Fn keys shared with Home/End/PgUp/PgDwn, Up/Down arrows sharing a key. I guess they call it "slick", I call it won't buy. [1] ok, depending on what you are programming, I'm sure there will be people saying they only need the "0" and "1" keys working.

You can always use your USB keyboard of choice. This lets you lift the screen to an ergonomic height.

Working on laptops for long periods of time is a really bad idea, and very bad for your long-term health. (Voice of experience here, sadly.)

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

Poyeyo wrote: post #527
k__ wrote: post #270

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I found compiling on Windows always a bit of a PITA. On Linux I just install build-essentials and everything works fine. On Windows I had to install a specific version of VS and fiddle around with the path to get things running. But maybe there is something like the build-essentials package in chocolatey? The terminal command history also feels strange. But I like cls more than clear, haha :D

Compiling what? May be some of us can help you. If it's C++, I did learn cmake, and now I use the same script for Ubuntu and for Win7/VS2008 and Win8.1/VS2012, and so far I just don't care about compilation issues anymore. Sadly the VS site only has VS2015 now. But yes, the first time you have to check the VS version and add all the proper env vars for the cmake scripts to find the libraries. But anyway, it is much b…

How about code written in C11? Or Fortran 95? Throw in a couple of numerical libraries you want to link to, maybe CUDA or some MPI or an optimized BLAS/LAPACK, and it's an all night party.

I lurk on a few sci.comp mailing lists, and the number and nature of problems that the Windows people have with compiling is crazy compared to Linux where the OS actually has a package manager and stuff Just Works.

As for cmake, I don't think it's any better than (gnu)make. I've seen big projects with complex buildsystems (eg. PETSc from Argonne) switch to cmake and then switch back again to make quite quickly. A frequent "problem" with make, I think, is that people learn just enough about makefiles to compile HelloWorld.cpp and then use that knowledge for everything.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by rebootthesystem »

rimantas wrote: post #605
rebootthesystem wrote: post #131

THAT is what I've been waiting for, on all fronts. On top of everything else, run Ubuntu VM's on the phone (if and when possible), Surface 4 and Surface Book and you now have the best of both worlds. We run various Windows-native engineering tools (CAD, CAM, EDA, FEA, etc.) yet do a lot of software development under Linux (by running VM's on all of our Windows desktops and laptops). I can imagine popping an SD card i…

> Not upgrading to any of your new closed hardware and OS's. I've missed the part whre Windows was announced open source. Can you give me a link?

You know that is not what I meant. I didn't say FOSS or OSS.

Show me the USB port on an iPad, or access to the file system, or the ability to plug in a memory card, or an external drive, or dock it and run an unencumbered OS, with multiple displays, keyboards, mice/trackballs, game controllers, or the ability to install any software you want, even run a Linux VM, etc.

C'mon.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by rebootthesystem »

fifthecho wrote: post #632
rebootthesystem wrote: post #131

THAT is what I've been waiting for, on all fronts. On top of everything else, run Ubuntu VM's on the phone (if and when possible), Surface 4 and Surface Book and you now have the best of both worlds. We run various Windows-native engineering tools (CAD, CAM, EDA, FEA, etc.) yet do a lot of software development under Linux (by running VM's on all of our Windows desktops and laptops). I can imagine popping an SD card i…

And by Microsoft TV, you mean XBox One?

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