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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by chucky_z »

exelius wrote: post #301
pcunite wrote: post #249

What Microsoft has done today is prove they're very focused about providing a top of the line personal computing experience. You can argue about server, but when it comes to applications (which are floating windows), Microsoft Windows has proven they can keep that title for their operating system. I'm glad to see them take ownership over the hardware. That has always been the black mark. I build my own PCs and always…

Microsoft's server software is actually top-notch and has been for years. Server 2003 was rough, but after that MS really started improving the management tools and allowing a lot more command line via powershell, etc. And in corporate America, Microsoft's Server products are near-ubiquitous. Consider that most of the in-house workflow tools at any company are built in Sharepoint -- and Sharepoint is actually a great…

I think I'd argue against Sharepoint simply because of the investment and vendor lock-in required. You do have an extremely solid point about Google Apps at the bottom end because of this exact reason though.

I only wish the O365 platform was more stable. I had endless issues when I tried to setup a paltry 50 accounts from a different managed Exchange platform. We ended up with using the Office products using the O365 license (cost of 2013/2015 products was far too high to justify individual licenses), but switching Exchange back to the previous provider.

Also, when it comes to high availability, there isn't much that can beat the ease of SQL Server's HA solutions. I personally greatly prefer PostgreSQL over everything, but there is no doubt in my mind that MSSQL is a solid platform.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by ableal »

dang wrote: post #347

We merged https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10340117 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10340022 hither, since there shouldn't be three stories about this on the front page. Since the live event looks done now, we've picked (what I think is?) the most significant product URL to change to from http://www.microsoft.com/october2015event/en-us/live-event . If anyone suggests a better URL we can change it again.

Found prices and specs here (redirected from surface.com): http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us

Page's not looking too good on Mac Safari, though.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by Touche »

exelius wrote: post #301
pcunite wrote: post #249

What Microsoft has done today is prove they're very focused about providing a top of the line personal computing experience. You can argue about server, but when it comes to applications (which are floating windows), Microsoft Windows has proven they can keep that title for their operating system. I'm glad to see them take ownership over the hardware. That has always been the black mark. I build my own PCs and always…

Microsoft's server software is actually top-notch and has been for years. Server 2003 was rough, but after that MS really started improving the management tools and allowing a lot more command line via powershell, etc. And in corporate America, Microsoft's Server products are near-ubiquitous. Consider that most of the in-house workflow tools at any company are built in Sharepoint -- and Sharepoint is actually a great…

> Microsoft's server software is actually top-notch and has been for years.

I disagree because I think there's a lot more important things to a server than those tools. What I want from a server is versatility. I want to learn one server OS and use it for all of my server needs (for the most part). I can't do that with Windows Server because it's not a good platform for non-Microsoft technologies.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by Karunamon »

Someone1234 wrote: post #246
mpweiher wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PowerShell = bash While a great fan of PowerShell in theory , in practice it seems to be extremely cumbersome. Sort of the opposite of bash and other Unix shells, which suck in theory and are very useful/convenient/powerful in practice.

Cumbersome or you just aren't familiar with it yet? The whole design of PS is meant to make it so you can "guess" the names of cmdlets you've never used before. Everything is Verb-Noun, Get-Service, New-Service, Restart-Service, Stop-Service, etc. Discoverability is valued over succinctness.

Which is fine when you're starting out, but infinitely frustrating after you have an idea of what you're doing.

A recent example, looking for errors in windows logs:

    Get-Childitem "C:\Windows\" -recurse -Include *.log ` | Select-String "Error" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue ` | Group-Object filename | Sort-Object count -descending
Closest *NIX analogue I can think of would be

    grep -r Error /var/log/ | sort
English is an arguably fine speaking language but an awful programming one.

I love what Powershell can do, but gods do I hate typing it.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by joshstrange »

MatthiasP wrote: post #276

That's what the OEMs get for not being able to put out a laptop that could compete with Apple in all those years, they always managed to introduce some fatal flaw in their premium laptops, from weird keyboard layouts to bad fan management software. Let's hope the Surface Book will be succesful and Apple finally gets serious competition in the premium laptop market.

I love my MBPr and I couldn't agree more. It will be nice to have some real competition/viable alternative. It will be interesting to see if Apple will release a touch MBPr or just stick to their iPad Pro + keyboard.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by babuskov »

scholia wrote: post #311
curiousjorge wrote: post #262

it looks like a copy of macbook, and I love microsoft for that, actually might buy this because of that fact. the tablet laptop thing is a must if you spend a lot of time in front of a computer. Unfortunately, sometimes you need a keyboard to answer emails and get stuff done.

What, a copy of a MacBook with a touch screen, pen operation, a serious GPU, and a detachable screen that works as a tablet running iPad-style apps? Still waiting for a MacBook that does any of that ;-)

While I agree with the rest, what do you mean by "serious GPU"? GPUs seem exactly the same as MBP offers.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by Rantenki »

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Agreed. Adblock totally breaks the rendering as well.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by rock8y »

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Came here to say this, i was testing my work on a smaller window and page is a complete mess !

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by sliverstorm »

dogma1138 wrote: post #315
sliverstorm wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the photo with that caption is with the keyboard folded fully over backwards used as a pseudo-tablet. No keyboard use in that case, and probably no IO either.

USB ports, dock, and SD card will work no matter what orientation the screen is in.

Sure, but it seems like if they wanted to be able to connect USB devices while the Book is in a tablet mode, they would simply put USB ports on the screen instead of engineering a fancy reversible hinge. Ports just don't seem like the killer reason to offer that mode.

Usually the keyboard-folded-back mode is offered in lieu of a detachable screen.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

melling wrote: post #364
WorldWideWayne wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you'll get it next year then. I don't get why you have to be a prick about it though by saying that Apple or Google are somehow "more progressive" and then turn around and call someone else's response irrelevant and pointless when you just admitted that your entire concern is basically irrelevant right now.

Next year is 3 months away. Who wants to drop $1500 and buy a new device in 12 months?

Because no devices require USB-C yet? Regular USB stuff isn't going to just disappear, so it's really not that big a deal. It's like not having a bluray drive or a 3d-tv screen - nobody cares.
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