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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

#262
it looks like a copy of macbook, and I love microsoft for that, actually might buy this because of that fact.

the tablet laptop thing is a must if you spend a lot of time in front of a computer. Unfortunately, sometimes you need a keyboard to answer emails and get stuff done.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

#263

So..when your slogan is "The tablet that can replace your laptop," maybe it's not a great idea to announce a laptop next to it?

Why? The SP4 does replace a laptop, but there's still a trade off there. It depends just how productive you want to be on the go.

The type cover is amazing for its size and weight. But it is still a thin and relatively small keyboard. The Surface Book has a more robust keyboard but is thicker and weighs more.

I feel like the SP4 is a laptop replacement. But the Surface Book can be also while also acting like a laptop in some situations. They're both interesting, just boils down to the user's needs.

I'd likely buy a SP4, but can understand why others would be a SB.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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post #195

Are the bootloaders locked?

I wonder how hard it would be to just virtualize linux all the time, rather than trying to load linux on new hardware. How much do you lose as the tech to virtualize gets better?

Not really the point. Sure I can stick Linux in a VM but what if I want to run something other than Windows on hardware that I own?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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post #209

I can't see giving up my 15" rMBP for this. Never have I ever wanted to take the screen off and use it as a tablet. And when I've been forced by circumstance to do development on my Windows machine it's been at best awkward. (Basically trying to recreate a Unix like experience via Cygwin or what have you.)

Exactly. MBP is so lightweight and robust that you can take it anywhere where you would take a tablet. Since I got my MBP I completely stopped using the Nexus 10 tablet (which I used a lot before that). The battery lasts as long for similar workloads, it's quiet, and having trackpad means that your screen doesn't get greasy. Having keyboard at hand is a plus. I really cannot think of a situation where a developer would prefer tablet-with-a-touch-screen type of interface.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

#266
If this doesn't convince musicians and DJs to more seriously consider the Microsoft Surface line of products, I don't know if it's possible. Personally I love the look of this, and in time, will have it earmarked as a replacement for my Lenovo X class ultrabook. I'm impressed.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

#267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's still about the OS. It has always been about the OS. I'd use a $400 HP from walmart if it ran the latest version of OS X flawlessly.

Interesting. The general consensus I get when talking to people, especially devs, is that it's about apple's quality of hardware.

Yes, it's good great quality hardware -- for a Unix laptop. That was one of the biggest reason why a lot of developers who used to work with Unices on servers switched to PowerBook. Back then, Linux really lagged behind in that regard, even on ThinkPads.

The next big boost was a GUI and market situation that made it possible to create some neat productivity tools (and profit from them).

The early Ruby on Rails community probably was the epitome of that setup: TextMate as a uniquely OS X editor, easy development on your laptop, then deployment to a Linux server. I think Keynote came out right at that time, too, which was really neat for a rather weirdly conference-driven community.

Then the pretty great Unibody systems came out, combining the aircraft destroyer feel of olden Thinkpads with a more sleek design, and the first of the ultrabooks, the Air… And, of course, you basically have to use a Mac system when doing iOS dev work.

But in the recent years, I feel that Apple lost it a bit. OS X is stagnating (what's the last feature that could compete with e.g. Expose? And still no decent 1st-party package manager). Third party development/productivity software doesn't matter that much these days (it's either webapps or mobile apps; no really shiny single-platform editor anymore). Some of the Linuxens are pretty good with supported laptop hardware, so that's an option for the Unix hardcore.

And as this article is showing, Windows itself is getting more of an option even if you're not buying into the MS stack: RAM and hard drives are big enough to support virtual machines for your development environment (esp. w/ docker/vagrant/etc.) -- if you even need that, as high-speed internet is ubiquitous enough so that you can do remote development throughout.

So, yeah, while I personally still think that OS X is a more developer/hacker-friendly environment than Windows, the incentives don't appear as big anymore. So if they lose their edge in hardware quality, style and solid driver support, they'll lose a few developers more.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

#268
post #8

I think they've pulled the rug from under other HW vendors, and that is well-deserved (for the vendors). MS essentially made the ultimate Windows PC (tablet, pen, long battery life, powerful GPU if needed), after waiting for the partners for years.

Its like Microsoft's Google Nexus series....

The Google Nexus never seemed to pull the rug under anyone, they weren't a best selling device in most circumstances.

The Nexus devices were often also available straight from their vendor at the time in the same form or a slightly different model.

And most importantly the Nexuses were always sourced from on of their partners, here MSFT is directly competing against their partners.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

#270

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

>> Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? >> I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I switched from OSX to Windows last year. I thought I'd miss stuff, but you don't. There are package managers like chocolatey to replace homebrew. I use Cmder as my…

I found compiling on Windows always a bit of a PITA.

On Linux I just install build-essentials and everything works fine. On Windows I had to install a specific version of VS and fiddle around with the path to get things running. But maybe there is something like the build-essentials package in chocolatey?

The terminal command history also feels strange. But I like cls more than clear, haha :D

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