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Re: HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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Post by x0x0 »

mapt wrote: post #272
mapt wrote: post #111

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Yes, but if that happens, thanks to the other half of Obamacare (the Medicaid expansion), if income goes to zero / povertylevel for any adult (no longer merely special classes of disabled or child-raising adult), then healthcare becomes free. People with big enough health problems that the heavily subsidized Silver market category is insufficient, but who have only a middle class income, do get stung in this system;…

Note also that this is reliant on not being in a state where a Republican governor has decided to turn down federal money for Medicaid expansion because Obama is a Communist Muslim Death Panelist. MN, thankfully, has chosen to implement Medicaid expansion.

Well, you have two options:

1 - If you have enough income, you will still be eligible for obamacare through the national but not state obamacare organization: healthcare.gov . The coverage gap is between medicaid on the low end if you have a family (no coverage if you're a single adult) and 100% fpl where obamacare kicks in.

2 - if you have too little income, and you should go on Medicaid expansion but unfortunately live in a state run by bigoted morons, you can always lie and claim your income is higher than it is. It turns out nobody will go after you for this. You just have to claim enough income to get yourself out of the medicaid income bracket and into the obamacare income bracket. You'll still end up with health insurance that costs (guessing) on the order of $50 to $100/mo after maximal tax credits.

In most states, that is $11,770 for a single adult. Your circumstances may be complicated, though; ask someone local. There are people who will help you with this.

and oh yeah: pull your head out of your ass and vote for Democrats. And make sure all your friends and family know that they're not just voting against communist muslim death panels, they're actively hurting you as well.

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Post by hydrogen18 »

notNow wrote: post #118
stevewepay wrote: post #43

The sad part is that it's Carly Fiorina's fault for turning HP into the mess it was. And now she touts that as the reason why she should be president. It's a sick joke that she thinks gutting one of Silicon Valley's preeminent companies makes her worthy of being president. HP was the first company to pioneer Silicon Valley culture, ie. The HP Way. It was only after Fiorina's tenure that HP turned into a shadow of its…

It seems to me that she was engaged in org restructuring a la Perestroika under Gorbachev rule of the USSR i.e. the enemy within.

"Mrs. Fiorina, tear down this wall!"

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Post by benaiah »

georgemcbay wrote: post #289
benaiah wrote: post #231

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> I would feel pretty comfortable presenting this argument to a judge, even without a lawyer present. I'm gonna go ahead and ignore any legal advice you give, then. That's completely bonkers.

Personally I'd still talk to a lawyer (easy for me to say as I have a friend who is a business lawyer), but I wouldn't go so far as to say not having a lawyer here would be "bonkers" The argument is pretty clear and rational; unless the judge was in the pocket of the company on the other end of the suit (in which case you're fucked anyway), I think representing one's self would be pretty straightforward in this case.

Representing yourself is never, ever, ever a good idea. Not even if you are a lawyer (and if you were, you'd know this). "The man who represents himself has a fool for a client" is one of the few legal truisms that is actually true.

That aside, your argument may be "pretty clear and rational," but that does not mean it follows the law (which is rarely either of those things). Without a lawyer you have no way of knowing (self-studying law is a great way to royally fuck yourself if you ever try to apply it in a real scenario).

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Post by bduerst »

SandB0x wrote: post #86
bduerst wrote: post #29

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They're the cost leader, along with Dell. The modern equivalent is Samsung with a lot of its cheaper hardware. Sure, Samsung has it's high end flagships, but so does HP (elitebooks). Just because they've filled one shitty niche doesn't mean they're all bad.

By making the shitty products, you diminish the perceived quality of everything you make. On the other hand, having high standards even for your budget range (e.g. Motorola phones currently) shows that all your products can be trusted and that your badge or brand actually means something.

You diminish the value of your brand as a quality leader, but the saying the HP Pavillion affects the quality of the HP Elitebook is absurd.

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Post by webXL »

drabiega wrote: post #275
dovereconomics wrote: post #237

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Not really. Anyone with a background on classical economics realizes the U.S is much closer to socialism than capitalism. The existence of 'prices' and greed doesn't imply it's capitalism.

I have such a background and I can't think of any metric in which the US is closer to socialism than capitalism.

Is Sweden a socialist country, according to your metrics? Government spending makes up just over half of their economy. We're somewhere between 35-38%, federal, state & local. I'll leave it at that.

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Post by Redoubts »

VLM wrote: post #191
IndianAstronaut wrote: post #62

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> There's also the classic MBA mistake of seeing employees as expenses rather than assets. Not to mention that more critical people will leave once they sniff layoffs coming.

This is not exactly HPs first layoff. Its been a dying company for quite some time. There is no hope of a turnaround and has not been for some time. Everyone in the Venn diagram of willing to jump ship and able to jump ship, has already jumped. All you've got left is people unwilling to jump, unable to jump, or both. Those unwilling will continue to be unwilling for whatever reasons, if the last layoff round didn't s…

How does a company like this die anyways? Does headcount just dwindle until they're nothing but a holding company or what?

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Post by eru »

x0x0 wrote: post #93
test001only wrote: post #67

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I am sorry if this question comes of as naive. Is the medical cost so high that it can only be covered with an insurance? Would a small amount of savings set aside for this purpose be viable in case somebody loses their medical insurance? Also would you not be able to take your own medical insurance which is independent of the company you work for? I am just trying to understand how the medical system there works. I…

CA/usa, broken ankle, two surgeries: $110k in billings. All told, probably 10-12 doctor-hours. Insurance, beyond insuring you, does something perhaps more important: they negotiate massive discounts with all medical practices/hospitals/etc. My insurer negotiated that to something reasonable (approx $35k, though memory fails me); I could even afford that if I needed to. Crucially (and I understand this is fucking stup…

Do you think it would help if prices were openly displayed before the procedures? (That would certainly encourage shopping around.)

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Post by chx »

jasode wrote: post #158
joshmn wrote: post #30

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This sounds like a great idea, but I don't know if he's such an entrepreneur or risk-taker. Some people are, some people aren't. It's a natural thing. I'm not sure of the papers he's signed (non-competes...), or the contracts that HP has with their customers (there must be some), but... he could definitely "get the band together" and pull off such a feat. Again, I think this goes back to the contracts he had. He's on…

>He's one of 4 remaining from the "blue days" (time with Digital); I think they'd be able to pull it off if they did go this route. They're all pretty awesome. From personal experience, I want to add some long-term expectations about commanding premium consulting rates -- especially as it relates to vendor-proprietary knowledge. I used to work for an enterprise software firm and was on their "crisis firefighting team…

Uh, this sort of hardware doesn't get upgraded in a year or two. Or ever. One word: COBOL.

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Post by blei »

wsxcde wrote: post #37

What do you all think a company like HP should do when they (finally) realize that they're overstaffed by a big number like 20%, 30% or 50%? One thing I realized working for a huge company and comparing that with my time at their much smaller competitor was that organizations in huge companies become hyperspecialized. This is great during the good times, because everyone is able to squeeze out that last 5% of perform…

This was a good comment, and I'm sad that no one was able to chime in. =/

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Post by dang »

Grue3 wrote: post #153
emp_zealoth wrote: post #63

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Wow. Rant incoming. Im just aghast how shitty your country is. I can understand living in fear of mortgages and the like, jak with at will nonsense and the like ( gags ) But your employer having a gun to your beloved's head - that what it basically is - is just rotten. I genuinely wish that any libertarians here (in Poland) move to USA or, Friedmans beloved, Chile. I hope they get to experience shit like that. I gues…

Those "libertarians" as you call them are the reason why you're not living in communist shithole and it's clear from your post that you're too young to truly appreciate the advantages of free market.

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