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Re: HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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Post by benaiah »

mring33621 wrote: post #221
BorgHunter wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to depend on the totality of the circumstances, in Illinois, so I'd imagine the nonvoluntary nature of the termination would be taken into account. But there doesn't seem to be a clear answer. If it ended up in litigation it could get messy; there isn't a terribly large amount of guidance from the courts.

Regardless of the possibility of litigation, the logic is very simple: 1) a non-compete indicates that the employee has some skillset or knowledge that the business does not want to lose to a competitor; 2) the involuntary release of that same employee indicates that (1) is no longer true, unless the released employee is fairly compensated for the non-compete period. I would feel pretty comfortable presenting this ar…

> I would feel pretty comfortable presenting this argument to a judge, even without a lawyer present.

I'm gonna go ahead and ignore any legal advice you give, then. That's completely bonkers.

Re: HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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Post by forgotpasswd3x »

Grue3 wrote: post #153
emp_zealoth wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. Rant incoming. Im just aghast how shitty your country is. I can understand living in fear of mortgages and the like, jak with at will nonsense and the like ( gags ) But your employer having a gun to your beloved's head - that what it basically is - is just rotten. I genuinely wish that any libertarians here (in Poland) move to USA or, Friedmans beloved, Chile. I hope they get to experience shit like that. I gues…

Those "libertarians" as you call them are the reason why you're not living in communist shithole and it's clear from your post that you're too young to truly appreciate the advantages of free market.

Bringing out the "you're too young to understand" argument. Awesome.

Re: HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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Post by USNetizen »

Although this may seem bad for many of these workers, I know of a lot of other tech companies that will be chomping at the bit to pick up many of these talented affected workers, though it may require a relocation in some cases.

As for HPE moving to these "low cost centers" for their talent, this is actually something I've seen happening where many larger companies are moving to smaller and mid-sized cities farther inland or down south in the U.S., places with adequate amenities to support their infrastructure and a decent workforce, but also within striking distance of large metros. The overhead and salaries in the DC beltway and Silicon Valley, for example, can be as much as 30-50% higher than locations just a couple hours drive away from them. So such a move to lower cost of living areas makes sense from a business perspective if you're running a services company in the IT industry and especially if you're serving cost-conscious government clients which HP has been doing in a big way lately.

Re: HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

dovereconomics wrote: post #142
emp_zealoth wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. Rant incoming. Im just aghast how shitty your country is. I can understand living in fear of mortgages and the like, jak with at will nonsense and the like ( gags ) But your employer having a gun to your beloved's head - that what it basically is - is just rotten. I genuinely wish that any libertarians here (in Poland) move to USA or, Friedmans beloved, Chile. I hope they get to experience shit like that. I gues…

But... ,in a libertarian country, HP wouldn't exist in the first place. Crony capitalism still is not capitalism.

> Crony capitalism still is not capitalism.

This reminds me of some people who pointed out that communism was never implemented and all the totalitarian regimes were still in the socialism phase. A phase which was obviously never going to be replaced with the communist utopia.

This is just a delay tactic. We all know what we talk about when we say "communism" and it's the same for "capitalism" - we mean the real-world, flawed implementation.

Re: HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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Post by Serow225 »

joshmn wrote: post #8

My father is a field-service engineer for HP in Midwest (based out of Minneapolis, but he has calls all over from Fargo, ND to Mpls, MN to Madison, WI). He is _the_ go-to for their biggest, most senior, most mission-critical clients. He put together UMN's Alpha setup, is the only guy that USPS will call for help, MNSCU, Best Buy, UHG... basically, anyone with an HP setup (server or printer) that's a Fortune 1000 (and…

Have him take a look through the current openings at MTS.com in Eden Prairie, we hire FSEs and related skillsets.

Re: HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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Post by dovereconomics »

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #234
dovereconomics wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... ,in a libertarian country, HP wouldn't exist in the first place. Crony capitalism still is not capitalism.

> Crony capitalism still is not capitalism. This reminds me of some people who pointed out that communism was never implemented and all the totalitarian regimes were still in the socialism phase. A phase which was obviously never going to be replaced with the communist utopia. This is just a delay tactic. We all know what we talk about when we say "communism" and it's the same for "capitalism" - we mean the real-worl…

Not really.

Anyone with a background on classical economics realizes the U.S is much closer to socialism than capitalism. The existence of 'prices' and greed doesn't imply it's capitalism.

Re: HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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Post by gogopuppygogo »

joshmn wrote: post #8

My father is a field-service engineer for HP in Midwest (based out of Minneapolis, but he has calls all over from Fargo, ND to Mpls, MN to Madison, WI). He is _the_ go-to for their biggest, most senior, most mission-critical clients. He put together UMN's Alpha setup, is the only guy that USPS will call for help, MNSCU, Best Buy, UHG... basically, anyone with an HP setup (server or printer) that's a Fortune 1000 (and…

Have him setup an account on http://www.joinjune.com - there are plenty of other OEM players out there who need talent.

Re: HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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Post by dovereconomics »

dragonwriter wrote: post #209
dovereconomics wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... ,in a libertarian country, HP wouldn't exist in the first place. Crony capitalism still is not capitalism.

The worst, unchecked, crony cap Papuan is exactly the system for which the name "capitalism" was coined, and crony capitalism had been part of what the term had referred to -- and an element of all real-world systems with the name -- since the real-world nineteenth century system that features it was named "capitalism" by its critics. Cronyism is central to capitalism, and you can't have one without the other.

Cronyism, referring to a system where incompetent agents are given special favors, doesn't survive in the free market - merciless competition destroys any underperfoming organization.

Cronyism only exists when competition doesn't work by means of a government. Get some politicians, create regulations, build a monopoly. No matter how uncompetitive it is, you're still a billionaire.

Re: HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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Post by 3pt14159 »

joshmn wrote: post #8

My father is a field-service engineer for HP in Midwest (based out of Minneapolis, but he has calls all over from Fargo, ND to Mpls, MN to Madison, WI). He is _the_ go-to for their biggest, most senior, most mission-critical clients. He put together UMN's Alpha setup, is the only guy that USPS will call for help, MNSCU, Best Buy, UHG... basically, anyone with an HP setup (server or printer) that's a Fortune 1000 (and…

Email me if he gets let go, there are tricks to getting healthcare that are questionable, but technically legal depending on the state that he is in. I'm not sure about Minnesota, but I could look into it.
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