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HP to cut 25-30k jobs

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> The tech company has struggled over the last decade to keep up with changing demands as customers move away from desktop computers. Maybe, but laptop or desktop, HP has been always synonymous with crappy quality and design - among the worst I have ever seen. I just can't wait for them to stop making PCs so that we can get at least half-decent laptops from other manufacturers.

Not really. I had several HP Kayak workstations; they were rock solid and built like tanks. A bunch of our servers were HP, and they were also quite solid. This was in the early 2000's, though. I haven't seen a decent HP product in a long, long time. Their printers are simply average, and nothing like they used to be.

I have had to live with HP laptops for... close to 13 years now. No matter how far I look back, they were always horrible.

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My father is a field-service engineer for HP in Midwest (based out of Minneapolis, but he has calls all over from Fargo, ND to Mpls, MN to Madison, WI). He is _the_ go-to for their biggest, most senior, most mission-critical clients. He put together UMN's Alpha setup, is the only guy that USPS will call for help, MNSCU, Best Buy, UHG... basically, anyone with an HP setup (server or printer) that's a Fortune 1000 (and…

If he's called-in to early retire or otherwise let go, make sure he doesn't sign a non-compete at that time. He should have anything he has signed, and is asked to sign, reviewed by an attorney. It's just not reasonable for companies to terminate someone's job and tell them they can't compete including being hired by a competitor, but they try this all the time in blatant ways and it's not just the old guard companies like HP that do this. I've seen my share of "umm, excuse me but this basically puts me out of business, I'm not signing it" type contracts.

Contract work is not as difficult as it sounds. He already knows the work involved, can do a good job of estimating the hours of work, and getting the number of employees to match that work, and then par for the course is 2x-3x of the salaried rate because a.) the contract can be terminated, no severance, no health care, no bennies, b.) the companies can afford it and are likely already paying that or more for the same contract with HP, c.) he'll need business liability insurance, and slightly more complicated book keeping and tax assistance. It's completely sane for him to ask a company he has a very good relationship "what's in the budget?" if he doesn't already have an idea what this amount ought to be. Don't undercharge. It's reasonable to offer a discount for say 2 or 3 year contracts. If it's hourly, it should be expensive to incentivize contracts.

Anyway, this can also be referred to as "slow retirement" which is a working retirement.

Oh and the home improvement investments seem sane also. They certainly aren't getting done, and will need to be done at a bad time if he does get let go or goes for early retirement.

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The sad part is that it's Carly Fiorina's fault for turning HP into the mess it was. And now she touts that as the reason why she should be president. It's a sick joke that she thinks gutting one of Silicon Valley's preeminent companies makes her worthy of being president.

HP was the first company to pioneer Silicon Valley culture, ie. The HP Way. It was only after Fiorina's tenure that HP turned into a shadow of its former self. They were one of the first to aggressively lay people off in the US and hire in India, and under her, they lost "The HP Way".

Every CEO since Fiorina has been a complete joke. Now Whitman is coming in to finish the job.

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HP's new business model for the last 2 years : * cut costs (mostly by disabling essential business functions) * buy back stock using proceeds The result: https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&... The person in Charge : Meg Whitman. In 2008, she was cited by The New York Times as among the women most likely to become the first female President of the United States. Because what "worked" for HP, w…

Doing the math on this, they apparently believe that each one of those people is costing the company $108k per year, net. Given that HP's revenue per employee is ~$350k, I find those numbers simply unbelievable. And let's suppose for a second that HP is somehow right. How did they just notice that 10% of their employees are doing something totally worthless? On top of the 55,000 employees that they laid off in 2012?…

The uncomfortable truth at this scale is that some employees are absolutely essential and some are just phoning it in collecting a paycheck. Ideally management would have visibility into where the performers were, but with this many layers of management it's very very difficult to see the forest for the trees.

It's one thing to repurpose people when the trend lines are positive or at least flat, but in HP's case there is a real question mark about what growing sectors they can successfully move into. Certainly they still have the talent to do amazing things, but have the leadership with the deep visibility into the organization's inner workings and talent pool and the outward facing vision to actually pull off a reorg like that seems almost impossible.

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Not really. I had several HP Kayak workstations; they were rock solid and built like tanks. A bunch of our servers were HP, and they were also quite solid. This was in the early 2000's, though. I haven't seen a decent HP product in a long, long time. Their printers are simply average, and nothing like they used to be.

I have had to live with HP laptops for... close to 13 years now. No matter how far I look back, they were always horrible.

13 years ago was still after HP's heyday. You need to look back further.

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> They cannot afford to lose healthcare coverage. And with Obamacare, they don't have to. They should be able to purchase decent coverage on the exchange, right? That's what we did when I quit my job.

The amazing coverage they have is barely cutting it. He pays pennies on the dollar for the coverage they get. I can't imagine it would be like this at all on the exchange.

Years ago I did a website for a person who sold health insurance for businesses. It turns out that a business is defined as 2 people and can come in most any form. With business healthcare they accept anyone even if you have pre-existing conditions. It gets around trying to buy health insurance directly. Cost is pretty reasonable.

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Doing the math on this, they apparently believe that each one of those people is costing the company $108k per year, net. Given that HP's revenue per employee is ~$350k, I find those numbers simply unbelievable. And let's suppose for a second that HP is somehow right. How did they just notice that 10% of their employees are doing something totally worthless? On top of the 55,000 employees that they laid off in 2012?…

The uncomfortable truth at this scale is that some employees are absolutely essential and some are just phoning it in collecting a paycheck. Ideally management would have visibility into where the performers were, but with this many layers of management it's very very difficult to see the forest for the trees. It's one thing to repurpose people when the trend lines are positive or at least flat, but in HP's case ther…

If some employees are phoning it in, I think it's worth asking why. It's been a long time since I felt that way at a job, but for me it came out of shitty, disempowering, unrewarding environments.

But even running with your argument, that the people laid off are slacking, I think it's an enormous failure that they let 30,000 of those people accumulate such that they were wasting $3 billion per year. Especially given their massive layoff a few years back. And if they've built an organization where it's difficult to tell where they're wasting $3 billion per year, I don't see how that's anything but an enormous indictment of the managers.

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Wow this is a pretty huge cut. However, I won't lie/sugar coat it -- I think of HP as one of the most stereotypically bad big companies (where you can go in get a job, and almost never get fired, despite not doing very much work), so this is probably a great move for them. I can't imagine it really takes 300,000 people to do what HP does. I'm sure there are departments that do cutting edge hardware/software work at H…

After they bought VoodooPC they turned that org into their Envy line which put out industry-leading PC's for a minute. Now it just makes low-end Mac knock-offs :(
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