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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by Spooky23 »

clinta wrote: post #832
Spooky23 wrote: post #827

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It was a web app. With a laptop, their compliance requirements required hibernation. So the workflow was: - Pre-boot authentication. - Windows sign-in - VPN two-factor sign-in - Web Portal access - Find your thing. Best case, that process took 7-9 minutes, at a customer site using guest wifi or air-card in an office building, with a potentially angry customer. Not fun. The typical user does that 5-10 times a day, and…

From your description it sounds more like process changes were needed rather than hardware. If the sensitive data is all in a web app, you don't really need pre-boot authentication, and could even allow windows to automatically sign in. I'm guessing you exposed your web app to the internet with 2 factor for the iPad, you could have done the same thing for windows clients and eliminated the VPN.

We could technically do something like that, but we couldn't meet the compliance requirements.

A better alternative in a laptop form factor would be a zero client laptop, but they are very niche devices.

I didn't really go into detail about the full use case, they get other benefits from the overall snappy iPad experience in terms of switching apps, etc.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by infinite8s »

jedmeyers wrote: post #831
chmike wrote: post #743

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This is an inductive statement very close to the doubly linked assertion presented by [Dr Milton Erickson]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Erickson ) from witch the academic example is "Save money, buy now". Here the induced assertion is "There has never been a product like it before" which is obviously false. This is beyond marketing. It is manipulative talk. In my opinion, this should be made illegal. We have…

Who will separate 'manipulative talk' from 'marketing' or other types of speech?

The Department of Truth.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by r00fus »

erispoe wrote: post #387
nawitus wrote: post #368

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How do you define dominating mobile? There are far more Android smartphones.

iOS has a 14% market share

Apple has near complete profit share: http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-indus...

Yes,92% of industry profits is domination in my book. Without sustainable profits, marketshare is meaningless. Only profitable players are Samsung and Apple.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by veidr »

billyhoffman wrote: post #634
twiceaday wrote: post #405

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> The comment simply refers to the black-and-white way in which Steve used to frame these things. Except the Jobs' quote you replied to succinctly explains why a stylus is a bad idea as the primary input method on a small pocket device.

A stylus is a bad idea as the primary input method on a small pocket device. A 12.9 inch iPad Pro is not a "small pocket device".

It's also still absolutely not the primary input method of the device, even on the iPad Pro.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by dogma1138 »

clinta wrote: post #832
Spooky23 wrote: post #827

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a web app. With a laptop, their compliance requirements required hibernation. So the workflow was: - Pre-boot authentication. - Windows sign-in - VPN two-factor sign-in - Web Portal access - Find your thing. Best case, that process took 7-9 minutes, at a customer site using guest wifi or air-card in an office building, with a potentially angry customer. Not fun. The typical user does that 5-10 times a day, and…

From your description it sounds more like process changes were needed rather than hardware. If the sensitive data is all in a web app, you don't really need pre-boot authentication, and could even allow windows to automatically sign in. I'm guessing you exposed your web app to the internet with 2 factor for the iPad, you could have done the same thing for windows clients and eliminated the VPN.

"Sadly" (or not) the compliance requirements for mobile vs PC's are completely fubar.

If you run under any regulation (PCI-DSS, HIPAA etc.) your PC will have to be hardened, have anti-virus, full disk encryption, 2 factor auth for remote connection and tick every other possible "security" box to be compliant.

Mobile well it's easy just have an MDM and do what ever the fuck you want, so if you want to use your laptop from the train in a regulated industry you'll have to stand on one foot, hold the laptop over your head while giving a blood sample to authenticate you and on the other hand you can just hope on your tablet/mobile phone connect to your office using VPN on-demand or even a regular web app (as long as it's SSL because dur-dur security!) and you're golden.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by dogma1138 »

72deluxe wrote: post #755
Bjartr wrote: post #635

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Microsoft tried to make something for that market with their WinRT surface tablets, the market responded with chirping crickets.

True, but I think the problem was that the WinRT looked like ordinary Windows but couldn't run any of the applications that people put on them (x86 binaries). Plus, it was competing against another form of itself (the Pro) in a squashed market anyway (Android gazillion models + iPad), where people typically saw tablets as a consumption device (I could be wrong, but my dad still dislikes my mum's iPad and will go to h…

X86 wasn't there then it is there now the non-Pro Surfaces don't run WindowsRT anymore and they are very cheap for what they offer and unless you actually run Photoshop then there's also very little reason to get the Pro these days.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by Aldo_MX »

gress wrote: post #816
Aldo_MX wrote: post #690

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I use this in my surface tablet, the performance is great, it doesn't even feel it's emulated: http://www.amiduos.com/

What Pro apps does that allow you to run?

What do you mean by "Pro" apps? Photoshop? Illustrator? Premiere? After Effects? Autocad? 3DS Max? Eclipse? Netbeans? IntelliJ? Visual Studio?

AFAIK mobile OSes don't have "Pro" apps, just niche apps, and unless those niche apps use ARM assembly or something that an x86 wouldn't run at native speed, you should have no issues.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by aalbertson »

Spooky23 wrote: post #806
bduerst wrote: post #695

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Have those users also used a surface pro or a chromebook? I'm wondering if they're just happy to have an extra tablet device or if they have a frame of reference.

Key parts of our stack(s) won't work with Chromebook, so didn't go that route. I haven't seen anyone, including Microsoft badged people, using a Surface Pro as anything but a nice laptop.

neteng where I work uses one with an external wifi adapter to test our wifi infra.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by prapam2 »

gress wrote: post #823
prapam2 wrote: post #822

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And where are you getting the stat? Years ago maybe not these days. The newer $100 mobiles sometimes are way better then say 200-300 mobiles. And btw messaging would be a app. Nobody uses sms where i live. All are on whatsapp.

Remember - the discussion is about what platform is dominant. The fact that messaging is implemented an app doesn't change that. New developments occur on iOS first for a reason.

If the discussion was about dominant platform then its Android, numbers don't lie. The discussion was wrt simplicity.

My question was wrt to source of your stat.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by gress »

prapam2 wrote: post #849
gress wrote: post #823

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Remember - the discussion is about what platform is dominant. The fact that messaging is implemented an app doesn't change that. New developments occur on iOS first for a reason.

If the discussion was about dominant platform then its Android, numbers don't lie. The discussion was wrt simplicity. My question was wrt to source of your stat.

The numbers don't lie, but you are focusing on the wrong one. Loss making businesses by cannot be dominant. Samsung is the only profitable Android maker and it is collapsing while Apple continues to grow.
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