Apple Unveils the iPad Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by jedmeyers » Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 4:47 PM UTC

chmike wrote: post #743

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There has never been a product like it before. No one else has ever made an iOS tablet like it. :) It's an admittedly nuanced statement, but not an outright falsehood. I don't think anyone in that room took it for anything else - they've all seen the Samsung and Microsoft tablets that inspired the Pro. Just like they were inspired by the original iPad, which was inspired by... which was inspired by... etc...

This is an inductive statement very close to the doubly linked assertion presented by [Dr Milton Erickson]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Erickson ) from witch the academic example is "Save money, buy now". Here the induced assertion is "There has never been a product like it before" which is obviously false. This is beyond marketing. It is manipulative talk. In my opinion, this should be made illegal. We have…

Who will separate 'manipulative talk' from 'marketing' or other types of speech?

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by clinta » Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 4:47 PM UTC

Spooky23 wrote: post #827

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"We had one group of auditors who literally sent my team a $200 fruit basket in appreciation for their iPads." Were they using a custom made app for their specific task or something like that?

It was a web app. With a laptop, their compliance requirements required hibernation. So the workflow was: - Pre-boot authentication. - Windows sign-in - VPN two-factor sign-in - Web Portal access - Find your thing. Best case, that process took 7-9 minutes, at a customer site using guest wifi or air-card in an office building, with a potentially angry customer. Not fun. The typical user does that 5-10 times a day, and…

From your description it sounds more like process changes were needed rather than hardware. If the sensitive data is all in a web app, you don't really need pre-boot authentication, and could even allow windows to automatically sign in. I'm guessing you exposed your web app to the internet with 2 factor for the iPad, you could have done the same thing for windows clients and eliminated the VPN.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by rjurney » Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 5:55 PM UTC

72deluxe wrote: post #793

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Mapping markets constitutes basic research. Product aside, it is important work. Understanding markets better makes them more efficient. Is this new? http://oreilly.com/go/mapbigdata It is the first data driven market report. What have you done first? What are you building that is new or ambitious?

Is it a competition? Odd attitudes I see sometimes.

No, it shouldn't be. I didn't claim to innovate myself, but I can at least recognize the complexity of researching and crafting new interfaces the whole world can't figure out.

Having just done something new, I lost my temper. Which is crap behavior, I admit.

Wait... yes, it is a competition. Maybe not in this forum.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by jalons » Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 6:05 PM UTC

davnicwil wrote: post #465

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Which utility are you using to treat it as a second screen? I've had modest luck with duet.

I'm using Duet too. It's a little quirky - the most annoying bugs are unpredictable disconnections and occasionally screen freezes, this seems to happen mostly when my macbook locks and reopens. But these things don't happen regularly enough that it causes a major problem for me. It's a bit annoying but I can deal with it. One thing to note for anyone considering it - it performs really well at displaying text. Thing…

I've seen those issues as well. I it Duet more as a second display more on my win8.1 laptop, and have very strange 'disconnects' - the iPad screen just randomly goes berserk and technicolor, and I have to quit the app and restart to get it picked up. This usually happens around the same times iTunes tells me there's an update, so guessing it's related.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by caskance » Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 6:09 PM UTC

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If innovation were what mattered, everyone would be browsing with Opera.

Only up to Opera 12, when they suddenly decided to become a theme creator for Chromium and chucked all their decent code and features in the bin, sadly.

That's the entire relevant history of Opera. They learned that innovation is a bad investment.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by davnicwil » Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 6:27 PM UTC

jalons wrote: post #834

davnicwil wrote: post #465

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I'm using Duet too. It's a little quirky - the most annoying bugs are unpredictable disconnections and occasionally screen freezes, this seems to happen mostly when my macbook locks and reopens. But these things don't happen regularly enough that it causes a major problem for me. It's a bit annoying but I can deal with it. One thing to note for anyone considering it - it performs really well at displaying text. Thing…

I've seen those issues as well. I it Duet more as a second display more on my win8.1 laptop, and have very strange 'disconnects' - the iPad screen just randomly goes berserk and technicolor, and I have to quit the app and restart to get it picked up. This usually happens around the same times iTunes tells me there's an update, so guessing it's related.

Ah yeah, remember having the exact same issue! Very annoying. I fixed this one by setting iTunes to ignore my iPad when I plug it in

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by chillacy » Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 7:50 PM UTC

ThomPete wrote: post #544

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Not really apple's way it seems. But I'm not sure that the ipad is doing poorly... despite all its many restrictions, it's extremely popular with schools and companies. I still remember when iphones weren't allowed on corp networks but people kept on using them anyways till IT had to support it. Things have come a long way in 5 years

The iPad is not doing well I don't think thats controversial.

Heh, the fact that you can make a statement like that means I don't really want to argue with you over it. In reality there are many metrics to what "doing well" can mean, surely you could anticipate that I could bring one of those out, then you'd counter, then we'd discuss which metrics are important, we'd disagree, and nothing would change.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by eropple » Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 8:12 PM UTC

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Except it runs iOS and not a full desktop operating system. Why would a "pro" user choose this over a surface pro/MBP/ubuntu certified system?

I own a Surface Pro 3 and I will be buying an iPad pro. The Surface Pro 3 for Visual Studio, and the iPad Pro for music production. The markets are completely different.

That's interesting to me. What does the iPad Pro give you for music production that a Mac with Logic (or your DAW of choice, whichever) doesn't do better? Even if you want touch controls, I've found a regular iPad to be plenty big enough for Logic Remote/TouchOSC/Lemur, and it talks to a much smarter, much more featureful system.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by macspoofing » Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 8:40 PM UTC

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How many offices are using iPads as their workstations? >Very soon iOS apps will match and/or exceed most desktop apps. I expected that to be true, but we're coming up on 10 years of the Apple App Store and I'm still waiting.

A surprising number of them actually. Depends on the industry but the medical industry in particular makes heavy use of iOS. I'm not saying Microsoft is going to disappear tomorrow but I think it's pretty clear that iOS is trending upwards will windows growth has flatlined and is shrinking in certain markets. Also I'd actually argue that a ton of iOS apps are better than the desktop equivalents. Touch screen is a new…

>Depends on the industry but the medical industry in particular makes heavy use of iOS.

In what context?

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by macspoofing » Thu, Sep 10, 2015, 8:43 PM UTC

72deluxe wrote: post #794

macspoofing wrote: post #670

Two years ago I tried really hard to use my iPad as my primary workstation (or at least primary outside of the office). It didn't work. No mouse support, no multi-tasking, and very mediocre keyboard support. What they released today doesn't fix any of the above.

Did you try that with an Android tablet? Sadly battery life is miles worse on Android, in my experience.

Never bothered. I liked the iPad screen aspect ratio and size.