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Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by m_mueller »

craigvn wrote: post #442
austenallred wrote: post #278

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I really don't give a shit who is copying who. It's technology; we're all building on the backs of inventions created by other people. The important thing to me is who does it the best, not who does it first. The iPod was nowhere near the first mp3 player, it was just the best one. The iPad wasn't close to the first tablet. Will it be the best tablet? I don't know, but whether or not the Surface had a keyboard first…

But the iPod, iPhone & iPad were much better than the incumbents. iPad Pro is not.

Display size, resolution and performance in a passively cooled device are things that seem to differentiate it from competitors. IMO these are significant.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by jamra »

hashberry wrote: post #207
jff wrote: post #47

Predicted by a 3 year old comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large

And so it begins... the once innovative company is now playing catch up, losing a little bit of its sex appeal as it copies the bland competition.

Apple strives with the nuances of its hardware. It's not necessarily how innovative and unique the product is, but the strength at which Apple secures the most unique hardware that sets them apart from the competition. Their touch sensors are different than everyone else's in supporting multi strength touches. They have good battery life with larger than HD displays. The device weights 1.5 lbs, which is much lighter than the surface. This is no trivial feat. The blanket statements on the device's general purpose and how it has been done before is a huge generalization and a refusal to grasp the power of Apple as a company. It hasn't been done before in the way Apple does it.

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Post by FireBeyond »

seiji wrote: post #103
matthewmacleod wrote: post #51

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Great. I love it when a company re-evaluates and introduces technology they previously said was a bad idea, but have reconsidered. More of this sort of thing!

We have to consider context as well. The original stylus comment was for a 3.5" pocket phone. Previously, things like Palm Treo or Windows Mobile devices required a stylus to touch the resistive sensing screen. That is the baseline. Anybody taking the quotes out of historical context is just trying to incite an argument and pretend they are better than Tim Cook. Nobody is better than Tim Cook.

The original comment. Yes.

And then at the launch of the iPad - "if you see a stylus, you blew it".

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Post by rsynnott »

cookiecaper wrote: post #252
ChrisClark wrote: post #162

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And everyone else uses batteries because of Wacom patents. At least that was the case 5 years ago.

And Apple, the richest company on earth, can't afford a license, or what?

Beyond the issue of whether Wacom wants to license it in the first place, even if they did, it's probably a high per unit cost (Wacom is a premium-pricing sort of company), and it's in the tablet, not the pen. What percentage of purchasers will even want the pen? I'm guessing it'll be pretty low.

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Post by Nicholas_C »

oblio wrote: post #57
rimantas wrote: post #30

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Care to explain, why do you have multitasking in quotes? You think iOS is some version of DOS?

Can I open a game on iOS and let it play? Say I want to idle in Clicker Heroes while I browse the net. Can it do that? Without jail-breaking it?

Or play YouTube without having the app open.

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Post by TallGuyShort »

coldtea wrote: post #497
IkmoIkmo wrote: post #474

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It's not a complete falsehood but it's a totally empty statement. Virtually any device you put out that's not exactly, spec-by-spec the same, you can say 'never been a product like this before'. It's true and empty. They do a lot of those, they're true, hyperbolic, and totally devoid of any significance. For example they'll say 'the iPhone 6 was the most popular iPhone ... EVER'. As if it's significant. But that's co…

> For example they'll say 'the iPhone 6 was the most popular iPhone ... EVER'. As if it's significant. But that's completely unexpected and it's not news, either. I'll happily take a 10 trillion dollar bet that the iPhone 7 will sell even better. And that the new Galaxy S 6 sells better than the 5, and the 7 will sell better than the 6, too. You understand that sales growth can't last forever right?

But as long as it lasts, they can make statements like that while ignoring any other trends that explain the popularity and make their marketing pitch sound more impressive.

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Post by hkmurakami »

coldtea wrote: post #497
IkmoIkmo wrote: post #474

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It's not a complete falsehood but it's a totally empty statement. Virtually any device you put out that's not exactly, spec-by-spec the same, you can say 'never been a product like this before'. It's true and empty. They do a lot of those, they're true, hyperbolic, and totally devoid of any significance. For example they'll say 'the iPhone 6 was the most popular iPhone ... EVER'. As if it's significant. But that's co…

> For example they'll say 'the iPhone 6 was the most popular iPhone ... EVER'. As if it's significant. But that's completely unexpected and it's not news, either. I'll happily take a 10 trillion dollar bet that the iPhone 7 will sell even better. And that the new Galaxy S 6 sells better than the 5, and the 7 will sell better than the 6, too. You understand that sales growth can't last forever right?

It's limited by global macroeconomics, which is still raising its ceilings.

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Post by 0x4a42 »

rw2 wrote: post #390

Mac got this product completely wrong. We needed a tablet that runs Mac OS that we can use for work not a bigger iOS form factor. One of the worst product decision I've seen Apple make.

Couldn't agree more. "Pro" is OS X, not iOS.

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Post by FireBeyond »

ctdonath wrote: post #309
roymurdock wrote: post #176

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It's like the $80 magsafe charger. Thing probably costs $3 to manufacture and distribute, but good luck using your macbook without one. Simple price gouging, but most customers are happy to pay.

Someone did a detailed comparison between the $19 Apple 500mW cube charger vs a no-name $4 lookalike. Short version: the former is an engineering marvel of efficiency, compactness, and safety ... while the latter is likely to kill someone. You may not appreciate the "diminishing returns" of increased quality for increased price, but Apple's bottom line shows a great many do.

Yeah, there's also a fairly healthy middle ground between engineering "marvels" and "what is the utterly cheapest piece of crap I can find on eBay".

(btw, there are a lot of complaints, including from me, about plenty of flaws with Apple chargers - I've had two sheathes come apart so they look like paper lanterns exposing bare wire beneath them)

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Post by anjc »

dasil003 wrote: post #462
kailuowang wrote: post #377

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It's not the copying that worries people, it's the lack of not-coping, i.e. innovations. iPod is not the first mp3 player, iPhone is not the first smart phone, but they were packed with innovative ideas that stood them out. We see less and less such ideas from Apple. Their execution/quality control is still top notch though, but other companies are catching up.

The problem is that after a string of successes like iMac, iPod, iTunes, iPhone, there is no way to out-do that. There is no market so ripe for disruption that plays to Apple's strengths the way that the iPhone setup. That's why the iPad is so disappointing to analysts and why nothing Apple does is that impressive now. There is no opportunity for the next iPhone-level success in the market today. It's out there somew…

If Apple had made the Surface Pro (which hasn't existed for very long) before Microsoft then it would have been the next in that line of major innovations. They didn't, because of a lack of foresight, but the opportunity to create it was readily available.
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