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Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Does it have 3D or Force Touch?

if it had I would think they'd have said something, I wouldn't be surprised if it was only for the pen for now, it might also not be possible to be as precise when it comes to finger pressure detection on a larger screen compared to a smartphone

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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> It’s right out of the Steve Jobs handbook: something you don’t offer is a > terrible idea, until you offer it yourself, at which point you explain why your > solution is the first to get it right. --Jon Gruber, Daring Fireball

If you think a feature is a terrible idea then you shouldn't offer it. And if the technology or context changes sufficiently for you to change your mind then you should start offering it. This is just good product design. But I guess if you word it that way then you cant heavily imply that Jobs was a liar.

The Surface Pro has been doing stylus input right, in combination with capacitive multi-touch, for 3 years. The problem with the "we don't want to do that, it's terrible ... let's do that, we figured out how to do it right" turnaround is that there's a period in the middle where there's an unreasonable almost religious resistance to doing that thing. Which just keeps progress in check. For example, the iPad mini, which pretty much waited until Jobs was in the ground before it could get on the market, due to his resistance to the idea. And perhaps also the stylus (by which I mean a pressure sensitive, high-precision stylus, not just a capacitive wand) which might have been on the iPad years ago were it not for that resistance.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

#173

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

My girlfriend have me have already decided to get one so we can watch Iplayer and YouTube in bed. We already use an iPad but our number one complaint is its too small!

I'd just mount a tv; don't need to hold it.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure you are completely correct there, as he said it repeatedly in many contexts. "It's like we said on the iPad, if you see a stylus, they blew it." - Steve Jobs edited to add - "as soon as you have a stylus, you're dead. " - Steve Jobs

That is a direct quote from Jobs. "If you see a stylus, they blew it." You can say that Jobs' aversion to styluses was a little stronger than it should have been due to the devices he'd seen with styluses, but his stated opinion was not this moderate "Styluses shouldn't be mandatory" stance people are trying to ascribe to him here.

Context matters, especially in technology, where the entire industry is in constant upheaval.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

#176

The iPad Pro is going to be available in November — 32GB for $799, 64GB for $949 and 128GB for $1,079. The $1,079 comes with Wi-Fi and cellular. The keyboard is going to cost $169 and the stylus is going to cost $99 — magic isn’t cheap. Can someone explain this absurd pricing strategy to me?

I just want someone to explain the $99 stylus. What's so special about it?

It's like the $80 magsafe charger. Thing probably costs $3 to manufacture and distribute, but good luck using your macbook without one.

Simple price gouging, but most customers are happy to pay.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

#177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s right out of the Steve Jobs handbook: something you don’t offer is a > terrible idea, until you offer it yourself, at which point you explain why your > solution is the first to get it right. --Jon Gruber, Daring Fireball

If you think a feature is a terrible idea then you shouldn't offer it. And if the technology or context changes sufficiently for you to change your mind then you should start offering it. This is just good product design. But I guess if you word it that way then you cant heavily imply that Jobs was a liar.

The issues is more... 'he was for it, before he was against it'...

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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What do you want the CLI to do? It's pretty fundamental to the iOS model (and the Android one) that apps are isolated from each other, so you certainly could have a CLI app that does stuff (ssh, git, vi?) within its own home directory, but can't interact with the rest of the system. In fact there are Android apps that do this. It's harder on iOS because you don't get fork(), but if someone wanted to try super hard, y…

busybox + filesystem access + a way to raise events for other applications (Android intents equivalent) + a way to install CLI tools with CLI-appropriate sandboxing (python, for example) would be incredibly useful. Done right it'd be the last thing needed to really obsolete pre-mobile OSes. You wouldn't have to abandon the security model.

Hearty +1 from me, then, but I'm pretty sure you can do this as a standalone app on the App Store without needing Apple to give you anything. You'd basically be running busybox on a bizarro version of a unikernel / rump kernel (or, alternatively, a bizarro version of User-Mode Linux).

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

#179

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

My girlfriend have me have already decided to get one so we can watch Iplayer and YouTube in bed. We already use an iPad but our number one complaint is its too small!

The Acer Chromebook 15 is giant, has great battery life, stands itself up, and you can buy two of them for the price of an iPad.

No iTunes, but you can get the same content other places.

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