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Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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It is in direct competition to the 'Surface Pro'.

Except it runs iOS and not a full desktop operating system. Why would a "pro" user choose this over a surface pro/MBP/ubuntu certified system?

Exactly. Most "pros" will continue to prefer desktop OSes, where you get the full Office, the full Photoshop, the full AutoCAD, your IDE, your command line... Except very specialized markets with tailored apps I don't see many people switching to the iPad Pro for work.

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"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus." -Steve Jobs

This is Apple definitely responding to high-end pressure from increasingly successful Surfaces in the same way the iPad mini was a response to pressure from the low-end by small Android tablets. This is basically Apple saying "let's make a Surface with a bigger screen and do it the Apple way". It's weird seeing Microsoft participate in it. Other than size, there's not much that Android tablets need to respond to, the…

The price point for Chromebooks is ~200-300. My ASUS Flip was $250.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus." -Steve Jobs

Great. I love it when a company re-evaluates and introduces technology they previously said was a bad idea, but have reconsidered. More of this sort of thing!

We have to consider context as well.

The original stylus comment was for a 3.5" pocket phone. Previously, things like Palm Treo or Windows Mobile devices required a stylus to touch the resistive sensing screen. That is the baseline.

Anybody taking the quotes out of historical context is just trying to incite an argument and pretend they are better than Tim Cook. Nobody is better than Tim Cook.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For navigating and general use on a 3.5" screen, he was dead on. For drawing on a screen of any size, especially a 12" one, the stylus makes plenty of sense.

He was talking about the iPad at the time. Further his statement was the existence of a stylus, not the necessity of it. http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/jobs-if-you-see-a-stylus-... He specifically refers to the iPad in the actual quote. Anyone claiming otherwise is simply wrong or a revisionist, though such sorts seep out of the woodwork whenever Apple cedes prior claims, rephrasing and adding unspoken criteria t…

No, the quote is from the first iPhone presentation. He did say something similar though when they unveiled the iPad.

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They announced a Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2"

Well, its bigger and has a somewhat higher resolution screen, but, yeah, its basically the iOS version of that.

Which for people already invested in the Apple ecosystem is probably a big deal, even though Android and Windows each already had something in this class (Windows option being a bit more expensive normal price, but with a full desktop OS.)

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"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus." -Steve Jobs

Hence, it's not a stylus, but an actual active pencil-like device for drawing. But yeah, lets not let the facts get in the way.

Here is the definition of stylus.

Stylus noun, plural styli [stahy-lahy] (Show IPA), styluses.

2) any of various pointed, pen-shaped instruments used in drawing, artwork, etc.

3) Computers. a pen-shaped device used on a display screen to input commands or handwritten text or drawings. Compare joystick (def 2), mouse (def 4).

But yeah, lets not let the facts get in the way.

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It is interesting comparing Microsoft and Apple's convertible tablet strategy. Microsoft's devices use the full OS and are basically laptops first and tablets second while Apple is doing the opposite. If this is truly designed to be "Pro" as in enterprise , I think Microsoft's strategy is going to lead to more productive and therefore better enterprise devices. EDIT: And after the price is revealed the scales tip a l…

This a million times. Apple is just slowly re-inventing the Desktop OS (hey look multi-tasking, a keyboard, etc) while MS went full into a hybrid OS over all its lines that can adapt to whatever hardware its installed on. For all the grief MS got for Windows 8, the move it made was ultimately the right one and builds the proper foundation they need for the future. As side note, lets recall about three or four years ago that we were reading, and agreeing with, articles predicting the death of the MS, at the very least, if not WIMP computing in general. Now we're sitting here with Windows 10, Surface, etc. MS did what it needed to do to stop its fall into irrelevancy.

I can't imagine shelling out near a $1,000+ for this thing (lets price in the keyboard and other accessories) when I can get a proper Macbook or Surface Pro, both which are much more capable. I imagine this will become the next hot executive toy (I need my twitter and my exchange mail up at the same time, nerds!). It'll sell in predictable low numbers and then one day mysteriously disappear from the Apple webpage with no fanfare.

I feel Apple has painted itself in a corner here. It never bonded OSX and iOS and carefully made them separate products. This probably made sense 5-6 years ago, but unified devices are now practical and affordable. I suspect Apple has a unified OS ready to go soon and is just buying time with this "Pro" to seem competitive. I can't imagine the status quo lasting. What exactly does a mobile OS get me, especially when it needs hardware and RAM on the level of a desktop OS not too long ago? Trying to "keep it simple" is what got Nokia and Blackberry killed. I fear that this industry is destined to just re-invent the desktop, but with sexier devices, in the end.

I'm not one to underestimate Apple, but the past couple years have been underwhelming. Even their much hyped watch is a fairly milquetoast design with a poor value proposition. Or the mobile game has simply matured and there are no more big ideas in this space. Are we at the "gimmicks and minor refinements" stage of this technology?

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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I know this is petty, but every time I see an Apple demo and they are saying how many inches the screen is I think - wow that's a really uncool and old fashioned system of measures. If Apple can force standards - like Thunderbolt - how about using centimeters. Edit: they can even say they invented the metric system - ok with me ;)

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Personally all I really want is a macbook air with retina.

I feel like apple has really been resting on its laurels the last few years. During the Jobsian era they'd come up with a new, category-defining product every few years. Now all we get is yearly updates of existing product lines.

well, here's hoping for a "one more thing" moment.

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