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Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by TillE »

billforsternz wrote: post #384
emp_zealoth wrote: post #280

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You mean like with the watch gizmo? Or the tv gizmo? This is just overpriced toy, inferior to it's counterparts, but sure, it will sell, thanks to it's swag factor. (Outside of US of A and UK you only see apple stuff on very particular kind of people, the ones that gleefully spend 10x the money on a LV bag, just to rub it in other's faces. Having apple stuff is hip, nothing to do with any sort of usability) Eventuall…

I live in New Zealand, so not USA or UK. I often coffee at the local university, and sitting there surrounded by poor (but cool) students it is shocking how many of them are using Macbooks. Seriously, you hardly ever see a laptop without a huge glowing apple logo.

In Germany, I feel pretty out of place using an iPhone. It's all Android. And yet, basically all the nerds have Macbooks.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by mythz »

RexRollman wrote: post #349
slg wrote: post #24

It is interesting comparing Microsoft and Apple's convertible tablet strategy. Microsoft's devices use the full OS and are basically laptops first and tablets second while Apple is doing the opposite. If this is truly designed to be "Pro" as in enterprise , I think Microsoft's strategy is going to lead to more productive and therefore better enterprise devices. EDIT: And after the price is revealed the scales tip a l…

I think the one important thing that Microsoft's approach has over Apple's is file management. File management is horrible on iOS.

File Systems is also a complexity that confuses a lot of non-technical people, which is why Apple tries to hide that one even exists on iOS - Where can I find the latest document I was working on? Just open the app you created it with, as a bonus you'll get transparent syncing across all your devices.

Syncing and Backup are tedial tasks most people wouldn't do if they needed to do it manually or configure an external program / service to do it.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by mamon »

austenallred wrote: post #189
bigtunacan wrote: post #135

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

> For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying a Macbook Air. Apple has dozens of devices for dozens of use cases and types of buyers. I would never use the new MacBook (not good enough specs), and most of HN thinks it's a terrible idea. But my wife loves it. She doesn't need to run a virtual…

>For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air

You would, provided that MacBook Air had convertible screen (like Lenovo Yoga)

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by rdsnsca »

rodgerd wrote: post #330
SyneRyder wrote: post #61

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Most of the input they've been showing is drawing and using the stylus. It might not be ideal for programming or writing, but this is going to be ideal for artists, photographers and anyone who wanted a 13" Cintiq.

Those people have a Surface and run Photoshop, Illustrator, Manga Pro, and other software not available for iOS.

You did see the Adobe demo? They are bring a new lineup of creative software to the iPad Pro this October.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by twiceaday »

braythwayt wrote: post #168
twiceaday wrote: post #152

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If you think a feature is a terrible idea then you shouldn't offer it. And if the technology or context changes sufficiently for you to change your mind then you should start offering it. This is just good product design. But I guess if you word it that way then you cant heavily imply that Jobs was a liar.

I didn't post that to suggest that Apple is right or wrong. There are all sorts of reasons not to offer a particular feature or product at time X, and then subsequently offer what appears to be that exact thing at time Y. Not to mention that the feature or product at time Y might be significantly different or better than the compromise you might have cobbled together at time X. The comment simply refers to the black-…

> The comment simply refers to the black-and-white way in which Steve used to frame these things.

Except the Jobs' quote you replied to succinctly explains why a stylus is a bad idea as the primary input method on a small pocket device.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by twiceaday »

shas3 wrote: post #379
camillomiller wrote: post #366

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This comment is exactly why HN won't never understand anything about Apple announcements. Highly technical folks, unable to get out of their technical bias, reprimanding the extremely successful decision makers of a successful company because they pretend to know the matter, while completely ignoring the real world scenarios that actually drive Apple products sales.

Even taking usability into account, an argument can be made that iPad Pro is neither here nor there. Consider a simple use case: let's say iPad Pro is the sole enterprise device handed out to employees at a company. AFAIK, even a simple thing like compressing multiple files (given irrational attachment size limits won't be going away any time soon) and sending them via email will be impossible given how closed and pa…

Being a sole enterprise device is not a simple use case and it has nothing to do with general usability as far as most people are concerned. Your comment is an epitome of what the post you replied to was talking about.

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Post by dataker »

camillomiller wrote: post #366
bigtunacan wrote: post #135

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

This comment is exactly why HN won't never understand anything about Apple announcements. Highly technical folks, unable to get out of their technical bias, reprimanding the extremely successful decision makers of a successful company because they pretend to know the matter, while completely ignoring the real world scenarios that actually drive Apple products sales.

His comment doesn't represent someone 'highly technical, unable to get out of their technical bias'.

In fact, a 'sales guy' or a banker could have shared a similar opinion.

You don't need to be 'highly technical' to be pragmatic and critical.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by vacri »

camillomiller wrote: post #366
bigtunacan wrote: post #135

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

This comment is exactly why HN won't never understand anything about Apple announcements. Highly technical folks, unable to get out of their technical bias, reprimanding the extremely successful decision makers of a successful company because they pretend to know the matter, while completely ignoring the real world scenarios that actually drive Apple products sales.

Apple has made a lot of flop products. Their successful products are real killers, but there's this weird confirmation-bias-field surrounding them that makes fans forget their numerous flops.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by dragonwriter »

happyscrappy wrote: post #375
dragonwriter wrote: post #371

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> Love and hate are not equivalent. No, but they are symmetric.

The asymmetry is that haters are not really interested and just shit all over the discussion.

That's not asymmetry. The lovers are also not really interested in discussion and are just as prone to pollute it with blind positivity as the haters are to do so with blind negativity.
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