Apple Unveils the iPad Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by StillBored » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:54 PM UTC

seiji wrote: post #103

matthewmacleod wrote: post #51

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Great. I love it when a company re-evaluates and introduces technology they previously said was a bad idea, but have reconsidered. More of this sort of thing!

We have to consider context as well. The original stylus comment was for a 3.5" pocket phone. Previously, things like Palm Treo or Windows Mobile devices required a stylus to touch the resistive sensing screen. That is the baseline. Anybody taking the quotes out of historical context is just trying to incite an argument and pretend they are better than Tim Cook. Nobody is better than Tim Cook.

Uh the treo didn't _REQUIRE_ a stylus, it worked when poked at with a fingernail. Which was fine for course operations with big buttons. The problems were things drawn as 4x4 pixel targets (or something equally insane). But that problem still exists to a certain extent. I have to be really careful with the iphone onscreen keyboard because my finger (above average hand size) easily covers multiple buttons. Unlike my wife, who's fingers apparently are the target audience. The cheap little iphone stylus can definitely help.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by hk__2 » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:55 PM UTC

gorena wrote: post #11

"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus." -Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs was talking about a Phone. Not a 12 inches tablet.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by Someone1234 » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:55 PM UTC

abritinthebay wrote: post #275

Someone1234 wrote: post #249

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> Also the Surface stylus isn't in the same league. So you'd have to compare to something like the N-Trig stylus which is an extra $50. The Surface Pro 3's pen is an N-Trig... Yeah, so not $50 more, included right in the box. And it has reviewed excellently by artists. > Yes, though I'd say the Apple ones are better quality (especially looking at the keyboard cover). You have absolutely no basis for claiming that the…

I've used the Surface Pro's cover - it's crap. Based on the dome switches (which I have used the previous generation of) the Apple one is already better. So yes, I have a basis for claiming that - one based on the hardware used and direct experience with the competition.

> I've used the Surface Pro's cover - it's crap. Based on the dome switches

Nope, scissor-switch. It is mechanical.

They used to sell one called the Touch Cover which is likely what you're describing, they don't anymore (discontinued, years ago).

> the Apple one is already better.

Because, why? You haven't used the Surface Pro 3 (as evidence by your own posts), you haven't used this (as evidence by the fact that nobody outside of Apple has), and you keep making basic mistakes about how both work.

This is like the N-Trig remark all over again.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by notNow » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:56 PM UTC

It's official people, Apple has jumped the shark and it's getting rougher and rougher for them from now on.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by cwyers » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:56 PM UTC

cookiecaper wrote: post #252

ChrisClark wrote: post #162

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And everyone else uses batteries because of Wacom patents. At least that was the case 5 years ago.

And Apple, the richest company on earth, can't afford a license, or what?

Wacom may well decide that the competitive advantage to them having better styluses than the ones Apple can make is worth more than any amount of money Apple could offer.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by aeontech » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:58 PM UTC

cookiecaper wrote: post #252

ChrisClark wrote: post #162

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And everyone else uses batteries because of Wacom patents. At least that was the case 5 years ago.

And Apple, the richest company on earth, can't afford a license, or what?

Wacom may not be willing to license it.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by notNow » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:58 PM UTC

austenallred wrote: post #278

hashberry wrote: post #207

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And so it begins... the once innovative company is now playing catch up, losing a little bit of its sex appeal as it copies the bland competition.

I really don't give a shit who is copying who. It's technology; we're all building on the backs of inventions created by other people. The important thing to me is who does it the best, not who does it first. The iPod was nowhere near the first mp3 player, it was just the best one. The iPad wasn't close to the first tablet. Will it be the best tablet? I don't know, but whether or not the Surface had a keyboard first…

So what's with all this silly frivolous litigation by Apple over "swipe to unlock" and "rounded corners" if it's OK to copy or steal from each other?

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by guillaumefoo » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:58 PM UTC

phaer wrote: post #289

nanofortnight wrote: post #182

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It's date-marked 2012.

yes, but that could be spoofed, theoretically. That's why I added the link to archive.org ;)

https://web.archive.org/web/20120623030508/http://hijinksens...? better?

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by jaegerpicker » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:59 PM UTC

jbigelow76 wrote: post #255

criddell wrote: post #216

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None of that really matters though. It's all about the applications. If you need to run Windows software, buy a Windows machine. If the applications you depend on require iOS, buy an iPad. Other non-software features (like battery life and weight) matter as well. Price doesn't really matter though.

If you need to run Windows software, buy a Windows machine. If the applications you depend on require iOS, buy an iPad. The Surface Pro and iPad Pro is where you'll see the whole "app gap" story inverted. The Surface will have "all the apps" (apps in this case meaning all existing Win32 applications and Enterprise software) and iOS trying to play catch up through partnerships like their one with IBM.

lol not going to happen. Did you see Microsoft on stage? MS can't really survive long term without iOS right now and they now it. Very soon iOS apps will match and/or exceed most desktop apps.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by austenallred » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:59 PM UTC

notNow wrote: post #317

austenallred wrote: post #278

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I really don't give a shit who is copying who. It's technology; we're all building on the backs of inventions created by other people. The important thing to me is who does it the best, not who does it first. The iPod was nowhere near the first mp3 player, it was just the best one. The iPad wasn't close to the first tablet. Will it be the best tablet? I don't know, but whether or not the Surface had a keyboard first…

So what's with all this silly frivolous litigation by Apple over "swipe to unlock" and "rounded corners" if it's OK to copy or steal from each other?

I don't speak for Apple. I think those are bullshit.