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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by elektromekatron »

zenir wrote: post #239
austenallred wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"How are we going to communicate with this? We don't want to carry around a mouse, so what are we going to do? Oh, a stylus, right? We're going to use a stylus? No. Who wants a stylus? You have to get them, put them away, you lose them, yuck. So let's not use a stylus. We're going to use the best pointing device in the world; a pointing device that we're all born with - we're born with ten of them. We're going to use…

I didn't know apple invented multi-touch.

They didn't, but then again they also now have a stylus, so at least they are consistent.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by seiji »

chc wrote: post #153
elektromekatron wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure you are completely correct there, as he said it repeatedly in many contexts. "It's like we said on the iPad, if you see a stylus, they blew it." - Steve Jobs edited to add - "as soon as you have a stylus, you're dead. " - Steve Jobs

That is a direct quote from Jobs. "If you see a stylus, they blew it." You can say that Jobs' aversion to styluses was a little stronger than it should have been due to the devices he'd seen with styluses, but his stated opinion was not this moderate "Styluses shouldn't be mandatory" stance people are trying to ascribe to him here.

Really?

It's pretty clear he meant "when you see a device can only operate with a stylus, it's a bad product."

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by amyjess »

hashberry wrote: post #207
jff wrote: post #47

Predicted by a 3 year old comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large

And so it begins... the once innovative company is now playing catch up, losing a little bit of its sex appeal as it copies the bland competition.

Honestly, I'm more than happy with my Surface Pro 3, and the iPad Pro doesn't interest me at all.

Not only are they playing catch up, but they failed to adequately catch up.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by X-Istence »

sbuccini wrote: post #88
danso wrote: post #49

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I'm hoping that was deliberate phrasing...because it would reflect the (correct, IMO) opinion that Apple's office suite isn't a replacement for MS Office, and that that opinion is agreed upon internally. That said, it'd be fun to hear from a Apple employee...do they frequently use iWork for intraoffice documents?

iWork is strongly encouraged, but they'll equip you with Microsoft Office if it's essential for your job. At least in my department, there was one piece of software you could never use: Powerpoint. You MUST use Keynote for any internal presentation. If you even say the word "Powerpoint" around the wrong person, you'll get some nasty looks.

Keynote has always worked much better for me, and has allowed me to make professional looking presentations fasters.

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Post by abritinthebay »

Someone1234 wrote: post #249
abritinthebay wrote: post #231

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To be fair you'd have to include the Pro 3's keyboard cover in that too - $120. Also the Surface stylus isn't in the same league. So you'd have to compare to something like the N-Trig stylus which is an extra $50. Cheaper? Yes, though I'd say the Apple ones are better quality (especially looking at the keyboard cover).

> Also the Surface stylus isn't in the same league. So you'd have to compare to something like the N-Trig stylus which is an extra $50. The Surface Pro 3's pen is an N-Trig... Yeah, so not $50 more, included right in the box. And it has reviewed excellently by artists. > Yes, though I'd say the Apple ones are better quality (especially looking at the keyboard cover). You have absolutely no basis for claiming that the…

I've used the Surface Pro's cover - it's crap. Based on the dome switches (which I have used the previous generation of) the Apple one is already better.

So yes, I have a basis for claiming that - one based on the hardware used and direct experience with the competition.

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Post by ThomPete »

JeremyBanks wrote: post #267
ThomPete wrote: post #208

I still believe that in order for apple to get more iPads sold, Apple need to move towards enterprise which IMO means they need to loose the Sandbox requirements which is holding back a lot of innovation. The iPad Pro is a beautiful machine but it's hardly going to change the issues that apple generally have with selling the iPad. One solution could be to give Sandbox control to enterprises instead, so they could kee…

https://developer.apple.com/programs/enterprise/ Enterprise customers can already sign their own apps for internal use.

Yeah but still sandbox restrictions no?

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Post by bdcravens »

dragonwriter wrote: post #234
adevine wrote: post #204

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One that suggests that, because you personally don't love the Apple-announced product, that Apple is shit and "needs a wake up call". It's not THAT hard to see that a lot of people will like these products, and Apple will sell a shit-ton of them.

Well, in that case, the word "Apple" is really unnecessary. That's true in pretty much every product announcement thread.

Yes, but it seems that Apple tends to bring out the worst in people on both sides (fans and foes)

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Post by austenallred »

hashberry wrote: post #207
jff wrote: post #47

Predicted by a 3 year old comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large

And so it begins... the once innovative company is now playing catch up, losing a little bit of its sex appeal as it copies the bland competition.

I really don't give a shit who is copying who. It's technology; we're all building on the backs of inventions created by other people. The important thing to me is who does it the best, not who does it first.

The iPod was nowhere near the first mp3 player, it was just the best one. The iPad wasn't close to the first tablet. Will it be the best tablet? I don't know, but whether or not the Surface had a keyboard first won't be the deciding factor.

Every company is incorporating an absurd number of innovations pioneered by other people. When it comes to hardware, I just want to love using the device.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by chronic41 »

austenallred wrote: post #189
bigtunacan wrote: post #135

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

> For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying a Macbook Air. Apple has dozens of devices for dozens of use cases and types of buyers. I would never use the new MacBook (not good enough specs), and most of HN thinks it's a terrible idea. But my wife loves it. She doesn't need to run a virtual…

No, Apple does not win. That's the point. He is saying (which I agree with) that Apple's products are mediocre in just about every use case.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by emp_zealoth »

apetresc wrote: post #202
bigtunacan wrote: post #186

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One what? It's unclear what you are trying to convey with this post.

One person saying "They've finally jumped the shark this time, it's a totally useless device." And then at the next sales-record-breaking keynote, repeat.

You mean like with the watch gizmo? Or the tv gizmo?

This is just overpriced toy, inferior to it's counterparts, but sure, it will sell, thanks to it's swag factor. (Outside of US of A and UK you only see apple stuff on very particular kind of people, the ones that gleefully spend 10x the money on a LV bag, just to rub it in other's faces. Having apple stuff is hip, nothing to do with any sort of usability)

Eventually it will come crashing down

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