Apple Unveils the iPad Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by X-Istence » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:43 PM UTC

ZanyProgrammer wrote: post #211

rimantas wrote: post #74

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How many of iPad users even know what "compile" means? Why not forget that world does not spin around developers once in a while?

Because its called the iPad Pro ?

And the only Pro users are going to be developers/programmers, right?

How about my doctor while he visits patients, or my dentist to show me my X-rays easily, or the automative tech that plugs in an OBDII module and instantly sees information on the large screen...

Those people are professionals, and that is what this is geared towards, not just developers.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by bsimpson » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:43 PM UTC

drinchev wrote: post #243

I wouldn't imagine a device like that to literally goes out without any decent content creation thought in mind. I'm sick of using my medium (now) screen iPad as a comment maker. I want to use it for development. I want my iPad to run WebStorm , SublimeText, GitHub. I want a jailbreak iOS that is capable of running a desktop Apps on that new desktop-performance iPad. This should've been the big news about the new big…

Curious to see how long until Atom is ported to iOS. It's all just HTML and a JS engine, right? If Facebook can build React Native, someone can build Atom for the iPad Pro.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by ctdonath » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:44 PM UTC

melling wrote: post #217

hashberry wrote: post #207

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And so it begins... the once innovative company is now playing catch up, losing a little bit of its sex appeal as it copies the bland competition.

Well, it did take them about a decade to catch up with Microsoft when they introduced the iPad. Bill Gates announced tablets 15 years ago: http://youtu.be/T5Va8XfuN9s What really is happening is the usual trolling that happens after every Apple event. Apple has different priorities. They'll make tablets more functional as CPU and battery improve. There will be a conversion with the desktop, or at least low-end laptop…

And Apple beat that by 8 years with the Newton.

(And Wang beat that by several years with a 3" thick monstrosity that, IIRC, went nowhere.)

Yes, the trolling reoccurs. Key is how excited the marketplace is for which product, naysayers aside. As others note: the iPod wasn't new, but it was subjectively better than anything else out there.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by WorldWideWayne » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:45 PM UTC

criddell wrote: post #284

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #264

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Lots of businesses build their own software. Do you think it's easier to deploy private software onto an iPad or a Windows machine?

Probably the same. Apple[1] has done a lot of work on this the last few years and IBM[2] is making huge bets on iOS. [1] http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/it/management.html [2] http://www.ibm.com/mobilefirst/us/en/mobilefirst-for-ios/

Ok. Easier to build for? In a business environment that's running all Windows servers and workstations? I don't know any small or medium sized businesses that employ iOS devs in-house...

You need Macs to build iOS software. Meanwhile, you can find Visual Studio already being employed in most business IT shops to build custom desktop and web software. I can't remember the last time I saw a job ad for an iOS developer that wasn't for a one-off gig or a mobile apps shop (or a marketing agency).

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by comex » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:45 PM UTC

striking wrote: post #253

comex wrote: post #232

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Depends on the benchmark. It's certainly competitive. For example: http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=29

Right, it's competitive... But being competitive and "most advanced", to me, are two different things. Not knocking Safari's performance, the battery life you get from it kicks butt. Still, different. (Also, wow. Comex replied to me. Very cool.)

I mean, there's definitely a good argument that V8 is most advanced, but, for example, JSC is the only one that has the LLVM 'fourth tier', and it shows on asm.js benchmarks, where it mostly beats V8 (loses to Firefox, but that has asm.js-specific code while the others don't):

http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=29&view=breakdown&suite=asm...

So I think the question of "most advanced" is basically subjective.

Don't get me wrong! I would strongly prefer if iOS allowed any JIT to be used. I just think calling the one that can be used "most advanced" is not wrong per se.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by knd775 » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:45 PM UTC

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #264

criddell wrote: post #216

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None of that really matters though. It's all about the applications. If you need to run Windows software, buy a Windows machine. If the applications you depend on require iOS, buy an iPad. Other non-software features (like battery life and weight) matter as well. Price doesn't really matter though.

Lots of businesses build their own software. Do you think it's easier to deploy private software onto an iPad or a Windows machine?

On a large scale, an iPad. Enterprise certs make this easy.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by Domenic_S » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:46 PM UTC

jagger27 wrote: post #222

cryptoz wrote: post #32

"We can have both Word and Excel on the screen at the same time!" - Apple, 2015. These Apple keynotes can be pretty funny.

Time is a flat circle.

Link achieve

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by rsync » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:47 PM UTC

noahbradley wrote: post #230

Speaking as an artist who uses the Surface Pro 3 for all of my work, an iPad Pro will be useless without the right software. And as great as Procreate might be, it's not Photoshop and will never be Photoshop. Without the ability to run full desktop apps, this would never be much more than a toy for me.

I sympathize with this, although playing devils advocate ... if adobe has web-based photoshop (which I think they do ?) then does it matter ?

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by ebrenes » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:47 PM UTC

braythwayt wrote: post #168

twiceaday wrote: post #152

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If you think a feature is a terrible idea then you shouldn't offer it. And if the technology or context changes sufficiently for you to change your mind then you should start offering it. This is just good product design. But I guess if you word it that way then you cant heavily imply that Jobs was a liar.

I didn't post that to suggest that Apple is right or wrong. There are all sorts of reasons not to offer a particular feature or product at time X, and then subsequently offer what appears to be that exact thing at time Y. Not to mention that the feature or product at time Y might be significantly different or better than the compromise you might have cobbled together at time X. The comment simply refers to the black-…

Case in point, self-driving cars. No one's offering that right now, because they all believe it sucks (at this point). But that doesn't mean that when they do offer it that it will be a bad idea.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by zerohm » Wed, Sep 09, 2015, 7:47 PM UTC

hashberry wrote: post #207

jff wrote: post #47

Predicted by a 3 year old comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large

And so it begins... the once innovative company is now playing catch up, losing a little bit of its sex appeal as it copies the bland competition.

Yes, they are playing catch up in the cover keyboard and stylus categories. However, they are still dominating mobile, revamping their TV line, and growing in a shrinking PC market. Oh and also they just released a pretty successful watch.

Just saying, I think Apple is still a pretty innovative company.