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A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by dzhiurgis »

tiatia wrote: post #14
danbruc wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you become unemployed in Germany you get unemployment benefits depending on your previous salary for one year I think. After that you get social benefits based on the existential minimum, roughly 400,- Euro plus your actual rent and you can request additional support for special circumstances like getting a baby. And because this is defined as the existential minimum refugees receive the same. Not sure what you me…

400,- Euro plus your actual rent, plus free health insurance plus some other benefits. A value of around 1000 Euro. Working for 40 hours per week for 10 Euro (above the minumum wage) gets you 1600 Euro before taxes. After taxes you are close to the 1000 Euro you get for free. For 70-80% of the world population this sounds too good to be true. The Germans lost their minds...

quonn, I guess the original comment meant that this support even sounds good for some EU countries.

There are EU countries with median wage of 350 Euro.

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by joeyspn »

mineshaftgap wrote: post #25
mahouse wrote: post #16

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What I don't understand is why us Europeans have to pay for the adventurism of the NATO; I wish all the refugees moved to Israel and the US, to be honest. Once again Putin is right, and this uncovers how a permanent conflict at the arab world is in the interest of the NATO and the US/Israel-aligned world overall.

You do realize that Europe is part of the US aligned world and the only thing preventing Europe from becoming Putin's playground is NATO?

Aligned? That's why they won't allow us Europeans to vote NO to TTIP and they have to discuss and approve it in secrecy. The citizens of Europe are not aligned with anyone. We've had enough with two WW.

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by jpfr »

generic_user wrote: post #11

There is a coordinated media attempt across the EU to spin positive 'messaging' onto the refugee crisis. But make no mistake this is a total disaster for the refugees, member state Citizens and the EU bureaucracy. The EU has been exposed once again as an incompetent overreaching poorly though dangerously romantic mistake. Continuous failures of ECB policy, the collapse of Greece under the EURO, the PIGS in serious tr…

The EU is winning this.

It shows that it goes by the humanitarian principles it claims to have. Refugees fleeing from a humanitarian crisis are allowed to stay and to become citizens. People fleeing from a bad economic situation are not.

> But make no mistake this is a total disaster for the refugees, member state Citizens and the EU bureaucracy.

It's a disaster for the refugees. But the disaster is in Syria.

> The damage is so great that Even China and Russia have managed to claim the moral high ground and quit rightly blame the crisis on the EU itself and NATO adventurism in Syria.

You are confused. The US and Turkey are in NATO. But the EU has nearly no involvement in Syria. Besides taking on the fleeing population, that is.

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by mineshaftgap »

mahouse wrote: post #29
mineshaftgap wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that Europe is part of the US aligned world and the only thing preventing Europe from becoming Putin's playground is NATO?

I would rather allow Europe to become Putin's playground than to allow the current situation to continue.

I hope you get your wish.

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by chvid »

moe wrote: post #27
generic_user wrote: post #24

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It is coordinated in the Press. The EU has its own Press agents that work with all Member state media and the international Press Including the USA. When the global press put a front page picture of a drowned Syrian Child on there covers it is a Coordinated release. Media Messaging is the bread and butter of the News Media. This story is part of Messageing to set the 'tone'.

The EU has its own Press agents that work with all Member state media and the international Press Including the USA. It really hurts to read this kind of drivel on HN. This is not how the press works. "The press" is not an uniform entity. This is not how any of this works. Please take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.

"The EU has its own Press agents that work with all Member state media and the international Press Including the USA."

That is probably true but I don't understand how the recent pictures of a Syrian child washing ashore could be a part of a "coordinated release"?

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by jpfr »

leaveyou wrote: post #6
onli wrote: post #4

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That is not true. First, Germany has a problem with social support even for Germans, Hartz 4 is horribly low and injust. Financial social support is one of the problems currently with the immigrants: It is basically non-existant. No EU region has a lower median salary than this. Second, Immigrants are not guests, they are immigrants or fugitives, and possibly supposed to stay. Third, Germany demands nothing new from…

You are lying at "Third". Angela Merkel publicly encouraged immigrants to come (and die trying) by promising that Germany will host all the people who arrive in Germany and several days later when the reported numbers of immigrants became alarming, Germany and France announced "a plan" (IMPOSSED behind scenes) to distribute the immigrants to other EU states because "solidarity and bla bla bla". That is extremely unfa…

> You are lying at "Third". Angela Merkel publicly encouraged immigrants to come (and die trying) by promising that Germany will host all the people who arrive in Germany and several days later when the reported numbers of immigrants became alarming, Germany and France announced "a plan" (IMPOSSED behind scenes) to distribute the immigrants to other EU states because "solidarity and bla bla bla".

Refugees arriving in Germany have the right to demand asylum. They have that right in every EU country.

But they may be denied asylum (after some months of processing and living in a shelter) if they do not flee from a humanitarian crisis.

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Post by Asbostos »

Has there ever been a case where a country received too many refugees and its economy deteriorated as a consequence? People provide labor which is what causes economic growth. They're the most valuable thing a country can have if it's not flooded with oil or similar natural resources. Of course there may be a lag as skills don't match demand, but that'll close up over time.

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by generic_user »

moe wrote: post #21
generic_user wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU has been encouraging migration for years for there supposed 'demographic crisis'. This is reported on regally in the press if you care to research.

The EU has been encouraging migration for years for there supposed 'demographic crisis' Oh, so now it's not Merkel but the EU. This is reported on regally in the press if you care to research. I'm not the one making bullshit claims here. The onus is on you to name your sources.

Merkel has been playing out her Imigration dramas for years now (along with the EU). I am not very compeled to to dig up storys they are numerous and well known. Perhaps one of Her most melodramatic epasodes was "Islam 'belongs to Germany'". That will perhaps be here defining Utterance for better or worse.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/12/us-germany-islam-m...

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by mineshaftgap »

joeyspn wrote: post #32
mineshaftgap wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that Europe is part of the US aligned world and the only thing preventing Europe from becoming Putin's playground is NATO?

Aligned? That's why they won't allow us Europeans to vote NO to TTIP and they have to discuss and approve it in secrecy. The citizens of Europe are not aligned with anyone. We've had enough with two WW.

Holy fuck people get confused. Exactly how are Americans stopping you from voting? You don't think Europe and the US are aligned? Hate can be blinding. Has a there ever been even a single EU candidate that ran on an anti-US platform? If not why not?

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by return0 »

generic_user wrote: post #11

There is a coordinated media attempt across the EU to spin positive 'messaging' onto the refugee crisis. But make no mistake this is a total disaster for the refugees, member state Citizens and the EU bureaucracy. The EU has been exposed once again as an incompetent overreaching poorly though dangerously romantic mistake. Continuous failures of ECB policy, the collapse of Greece under the EURO, the PIGS in serious tr…

I don't mind the positive messaging, and to be precise the number of refugees is still small. There are millions that have been driven out of syria in neighboring countries like jordan.

However the european media are doing a bad job at telling people the whole story in simple terms about how syria got in this mess and what are the ways to end the crisis where it began (military intervention? who knows). It shouldn't have to take horrible pictures of refugees and children for the people in europe to start talking seriously about this crisis. Focusing on who's going to take more refugees is short-sighted politicking that is benefiting only the far-right parties.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/16979186

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