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Re: Refugees Welcome

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post #112

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Correction: Germany is believed to handle thousands per day, just as Hungary has handled more than 2k/day throughout August: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/01/trains-of-refug... As a country of 80M people (Germany), they can probably handle quite a few but there's a point when the demographic shift is going to be.. unpleasant. Most immigrants don't leave their old practices behind and in most cases, that's…

A relevant part of "this group", if you talk about refugees from Syria, actually is Christian or secular/atheist. And many of them who are even Muslim actually share a bunch of questionable views of women and gays with conservative German Christians.

Did’t think there were enough Germans that are conservative and/or Christian anymore?

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#162
post #122

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What Europeans? Do you mean UK and France?

Pretty much every European country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_European_coloni...

Norway: Greenland and Vinland (New Foundland).

The thought of those vikings sucking the fertile soil of Greenland dry fills me with guilt.

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Sincerely. I'm European, I'm from Euro zone. I walk in the streets in my country's capital at night and a see dozens of homeless hungry people just by walking a couple of Km. I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We are giving millions to find houses for these refugees/migrants but we let our own live and die on the stre…

Allowing refugees is a feel good band aid. Yes it does directly benefit those who gain asylum but it does nothing to help the majority left behind. The real solution is to make positive changes in their homelands, bg force if necessary. This dilly dallying helps no one except radicals bent on violence and the corrupt regimes and Russia's meddling. Europe needs to do something. Sometimes you do need violence to make t…

And the refugees would MUCH MUCH prefer to be in their own homeland with their family/friends/culture.

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#164
post #92

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> the whole Middle East fuck-up is the result of the post-WW1 partitions Blaming everything on the Sykes-Picot agreement removes a lot of agency from the inhabitants of the Middle East, especially political movements like the rise of Baathism and pan-arabism. /r/BadHistory had a good post on this recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/3j75b8/sykespic...

> especially political movements like the rise of Baathism and pan-arabism Pan-arabism was not such a bad idea. It was somehow similar to the "nation-state" idea prevalent in 19th century Europe, which, while true that generated some ugly side-effects (WW1), in the end was responsible for the creation of most European modern states as we know them today. The same thing could have happened with pan-arabism, i.e. we co…

Except when they gased kurds. Killed, raped and sold Yezidis.

Yeah, Pan-arabism is awesome.

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We have our own continent to deal with. We already have hundreds of thousands of refugees coming to the US from central/south America every year. How many refugees are we supposed to accept anyway?

I didn't know there were any wars in South America, lately.

So your country has to be in the middle of a civil war for you to be a refugee? Well damn, let's go tell all the people in Honduras and El Salvador that they can't leave and seek asylum because they're not allowed to be refugees.

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post #105
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You really can't think of a single scenario in which someone you don't know goes to live with you and you want them to leave?

Of course I can think of such scenarios, I can't think of any scenario in which this would be a big problem though. A lot of people live with flatmates who they didn't really know before living together. It's unusual not to for students. This doesn't always work out perfectly either. To blow this up into a huge problem, if a refugee is involved, isn't anything but racism.

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#167
post #116

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Correction: Germany is believed to handle thousands per day, just as Hungary has handled more than 2k/day throughout August: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/01/trains-of-refug... As a country of 80M people (Germany), they can probably handle quite a few but there's a point when the demographic shift is going to be.. unpleasant. Most immigrants don't leave their old practices behind and in most cases, that's…

Because the people who oppose immigration tend to have very nice views on women, society, gays, religion etc? Maybe the problem is that some Germans don't respect others people freedom to think whatever they want.

I'm from Germany and do not oppose immigration and/or hosting refugees. I agree with you that especially some people opposing immigration have a twisted worldview on these topics. However, I think your last sentence is really problematic. People have the freedom to think what they want; but I think that the fundamental values of our society (freedom, democracy, equality) have to persist and I would not accept _anybody_ (no matter where they come from) to attack these values.

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#168
post #98

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We have our own continent to deal with. We already have hundreds of thousands of refugees coming to the US from central/south America every year. How many refugees are we supposed to accept anyway?

As many as we can?

We aren't even able to take care of all the poor people that are already here, and you think we can accommodate millions more?

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#169
post #138
post #130

Sincerely. I'm European, I'm from Euro zone. I walk in the streets in my country's capital at night and a see dozens of homeless hungry people just by walking a couple of Km. I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We are giving millions to find houses for these refugees/migrants but we let our own live and die on the stre…

Allowing refugees is a feel good band aid. Yes it does directly benefit those who gain asylum but it does nothing to help the majority left behind. The real solution is to make positive changes in their homelands, bg force if necessary. This dilly dallying helps no one except radicals bent on violence and the corrupt regimes and Russia's meddling. Europe needs to do something. Sometimes you do need violence to make t…

> world war two has left a deep scar on Europe which has made it overly cautious and allergic to necessarily addressing unjust violence.

I'd say it's probably far more likely due to more recent episodes of liberal interventionism; which has sometimes resulted in relative success (depending on your point of view) e.g Sierra Leone, Bosnia/Herzegovina and Kosovo/Yugoslavia in the early nineties.

More often than not, intervention has resulted in a negative, or otherwise generally messy outcome with unforeseen consequences, e.g Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria Libya.. The poor execution of military intervention by western powers of the latter is arguably at least in part to blame for the current refugee crisis.

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#170
post #83

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Actually Europe is very much responsible, only a small percentage flees to our countries and the reason is clear: People at least think that life in Europe is much better and in some cases they are correct. Please learn about the situation and not just judge it.

Why is Europe very much responsible? Also, please define Europe to avoid any confusion with the European Union or Western Europe.

They want free stuff so they travel to the places that give them the most free stuff.
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