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Re: Refugees Welcome

#101

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He's not attacking his person and it's not ad-hominem, he's saying the guy is basically a moral hazard, he is advocating for policies here that he won't have to suffer the consequences of.

You are a MORAL HAZARD. That is not an ad-hominem. But seriously, I thought we all share the same planet and thus share the consequences.

Get real. The consequences (whether they are good or bad, I don't know) are obviously more relevant to those actually living in the country than those shouting what to do from the other side of the planet.

Re: Refugees Welcome

#102
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> Why cares who's responsible? They're humans. Arn't we all responsible for all humans on the planet? How many homeless people do you let crash at your place each night?

Caseysoftware - i've had exactly three people crash at my house who were homeless strangers. Only for a few nights each. I have also got chatting to a homeless dude who turned out to be an artist. He carried on a pen drive pictures he'd created over the last few years but he had no computer access and no way to get them. I said i'd take a look and the next day went into a shop and printed every single picture, paid f…

Sounds like a great start. When are you going fulltime with it?

"It" being letting homeless people crash at your house all the time.

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#103
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Background investigations are done as well. Again, I see no problem with it. I thought they were escaping a dangerous situation? It seems they are now in a safe third country, it's not a big deal they have to wait a year. I have many relatives who came to the US this way.

How do you do a background investigation on someone from Syria?

Well, you can check with your foreign intelligence agencies to see if the person is suspected of any malicious behaviour or connections, and if the person has acquaintances already in the US, you can ask them questions.

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> European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all. I'll pass over the casual xenophobia implicit in your post (just for you info, Lebanon has over 1 million Syrian refugees for a population of ~4.5 million, Jordan has ~600,000 refugees for a population of ~8 million), I just want to mention how the whole Middle East fuck-up is the result of…

> the whole Middle East fuck-up is the result of the post-WW1 partitions Blaming everything on the Sykes-Picot agreement removes a lot of agency from the inhabitants of the Middle East, especially political movements like the rise of Baathism and pan-arabism. /r/BadHistory had a good post on this recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/3j75b8/sykespic...

> especially political movements like the rise of Baathism and pan-arabism

Pan-arabism was not such a bad idea. It was somehow similar to the "nation-state" idea prevalent in 19th century Europe, which, while true that generated some ugly side-effects (WW1), in the end was responsible for the creation of most European modern states as we know them today.

The same thing could have happened with pan-arabism, i.e. we could have talked right now about a modern Lybia, a modern Egypt or a modern Syria, but instead the Suez Crisis killed this possibility in its infancy and gave guys like Nasser (or Assad in Syria and Gaddafi in Lybia) reason to take even more power in their hands.

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Why would anyone want to? Germany desperately needs immigration to keep up the economy and welfare system and overall immigrants pay more to Germany than they get out of it.

You really can't think of a single scenario in which someone you don't know goes to live with you and you want them to leave?

Of course I can think of such scenarios, I can't think of any scenario in which this would be a big problem though.

A lot of people live with flatmates who they didn't really know before living together. It's unusual not to for students. This doesn't always work out perfectly either.

To blow this up into a huge problem, if a refugee is involved, isn't anything but racism.

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#106
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It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

> It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc...

Out of these countries, only Egypt is even a signatory to the Refugee Convention and its Protocol. All of these countries range from "questionable human rights status" to "fascist theocracy".

More importantly, most Syrian refugees are in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq, all of which are already overflowing (Turkey alone has close to two million refugees). They are fleeing to closer countries, but these countries are already operating beyond capacity.

> Same culture, same religion and they are much closer!

Watch this video of Damascus college students before the war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbM4trP42NY&sns=em

How much do you think they have in common with the culture of Saudi Arabia?

> It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all.

The underlying reason here is Dublin III. According to the Dublin Regulation, asylum seekers are to be processed in the country where they enter the EU [1]. Right now, this means that Greece, Hungary, Italy, and Spain. You see the problem?

Now, Sweden, Austria, and Germany are helping out despite Dublin.

Finally, it doesn't matter who is responsible. The EU member states are bound by treaty and customary international law to deal with refugees on its territory; the principle of non-refoulement prevents them from sending refugees back into danger.

And yes, it would still be nice if the countries that helped create that mess also helped out with the refugees. As it pertains to Syria and Iraq, that would be in particular the members of the "coalition of the willing"; Daesh arose out of the ashes of Saddam's military [2].

> Luckily there are some leaders out there that are not afraid of this stupid political correctness and they build fences on their borders because they know what this might lead to.

It's pretty hard to build a fence in the middle of the sea.

[1] The Dublin Regulation also is intended to support the countries of entry through various means, but was designed for a much smaller number of asylum seekers.

[2] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/r...

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It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

Why cares who's responsible? They're humans. Arn't we all responsible for all humans on the planet?

That is a view usually held from people that are separated by geography, class or income from a lot of the humans they feel responsible for.

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#109
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True - there's still ways of helping without that. But what's the fear about letting refugees into the country? Why are people so scared of this? (genuine question =)) It seems to me the only countries whom are scared are the ones who think they're the best, greatest and fear loosing that status. This sounds like idk...country ego? lol.

How many destitute people do you house in your own home? Why only that number and not more? If zero, why is that? What percentage of your income are you donating to support refugees? Why is that percentage not higher?

Ooo, there's a hefty underlying assumption in your post.

I have previously taken people off the street, three times. I do not currently have anyone living in my home because I have moved back to my disabled Mums which is a 3 bedroom house already with 5 people living there.

Why am I living at my Mums?

I give 100% of my time to helping others and i'm in the process of starting a social enterprise to develop technology to help others in a variety of situations. We've already designed and nearly finish an app to help women in domestic violence situations, tools to help kids with dyslexia, tools for autism. Every penny will go back into creating more tools and technologies to help.

Then I can buy an Island. Yep, i'm not even kidding that's my ambition.

"What percentage of your income are you donating to support refugees? Why is that percentage not higher?" - I currently give no funds to refugees because I put all of my funds into creating other projects to help others in different domains. I feel that investing in these which will generate more income will give more income to help more people.

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#110
I think this is a great idea.

It's easy to hate the concept of immigration and, by extension, the thought of millions of immigrants pouring into your home country. In fact, we're hardwired to have an aversion to this idea. Humans have always formed small units such as families or tribes in order to compete with other humans for limited resources. Immigrants are easily lumped together into a menacing tribe of competitors.

But when you host someone, they stop being "just another immigrant" and you can start to see them for what they were the whole time: a real person with a voice, a smile, sorrow, joy, tastes, quirks, humor, goals, and dreams. Empathy is crucial.

It's not going to solve the larger problem of the millions of immigrants displaced by war or corrupt governance, but it probably will have a positive impact on thousands of lives, which is an awesome outcome for a small group of people looking to make a change through technology.

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