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Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by dudul »

jacobush wrote: post #59
mrdodge wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people will not be net contributors to the system.

I don't know about Germany but the average immigrant coming to Sweden currently has more education than the general population in Sweden. (11.5 years vs 11)

Not sure what study you're referring to, but if it uses the term "immigrant" it probably merges refugees with "regular immigrants" - that is other EU citizens immigrating for work for example.

Plus, going to school 6 more months doesn't mean that they are more employed. What are the numbers regarding refugees and unemployment for example?

Re: Refugees Welcome

#112

Post by phaer »

caseysoftware wrote: post #69
sschueller wrote: post #6

I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees. Currently it takes 18 to 24 months for refuges to be able to get on a plane the US. The US has agreed to accept up to 70k refugees yet at this rate it will take for ever while Germany has hundreds of new refuges per day. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/us-accept-thous...

Correction: Germany is believed to handle thousands per day, just as Hungary has handled more than 2k/day throughout August: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/01/trains-of-refug... As a country of 80M people (Germany), they can probably handle quite a few but there's a point when the demographic shift is going to be.. unpleasant. Most immigrants don't leave their old practices behind and in most cases, that's…

A relevant part of "this group", if you talk about refugees from Syria, actually is Christian or secular/atheist. And many of them who are even Muslim actually share a bunch of questionable views of women and gays with conservative German Christians.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by mmosta »

candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

RE: Egypt There are upwards of 130,000 registered Syrian refugees alone in Egypt [0], in addition to those from Sudan and Somalia.

Unofficial estimates place the number much higher [1].

Absolutely no one chooses to become a refugee and its the epitome of privilege to pontificate about where they should go. They go anywhere they can that isn't here and "culture" plays absolutely no part because it isn't a vacation. In fact, geographic proximity and regional support systems are the most important thing [3]. "European" countries don't even clock in top 5.

[0] http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=8 [1] https://egyptianfoundation.wordpress.com/welcome/refugees-in... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_W...

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Post by rmxt »

caseysoftware wrote: post #102
ashleyp wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caseysoftware - i've had exactly three people crash at my house who were homeless strangers. Only for a few nights each. I have also got chatting to a homeless dude who turned out to be an artist. He carried on a pen drive pictures he'd created over the last few years but he had no computer access and no way to get them. I said i'd take a look and the next day went into a shop and printed every single picture, paid f…

Sounds like a great start. When are you going fulltime with it? "It" being letting homeless people crash at your house all the time.

It's intellectually dishonest to presuppose that the only way to support destitute people is to personally let them into your home.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by estefan »

DasIch wrote: post #105
estefan wrote: post #25

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You really can't think of a single scenario in which someone you don't know goes to live with you and you want them to leave?

Of course I can think of such scenarios, I can't think of any scenario in which this would be a big problem though. A lot of people live with flatmates who they didn't really know before living together. It's unusual not to for students. This doesn't always work out perfectly either. To blow this up into a huge problem, if a refugee is involved, isn't anything but racism.

It's to do with people with very few alternatives. If there's not a proper contract in advance, well, you'll have to live with the consequences because the courts probably won't want to hear from you.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by gozo »

caseysoftware wrote: post #69
sschueller wrote: post #6

I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees. Currently it takes 18 to 24 months for refuges to be able to get on a plane the US. The US has agreed to accept up to 70k refugees yet at this rate it will take for ever while Germany has hundreds of new refuges per day. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/us-accept-thous...

Correction: Germany is believed to handle thousands per day, just as Hungary has handled more than 2k/day throughout August: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/01/trains-of-refug... As a country of 80M people (Germany), they can probably handle quite a few but there's a point when the demographic shift is going to be.. unpleasant. Most immigrants don't leave their old practices behind and in most cases, that's…

Because the people who oppose immigration tend to have very nice views on women, society, gays, religion etc? Maybe the problem is that some Germans don't respect others people freedom to think whatever they want.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by ashleyp »

caseysoftware wrote: post #102
ashleyp wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caseysoftware - i've had exactly three people crash at my house who were homeless strangers. Only for a few nights each. I have also got chatting to a homeless dude who turned out to be an artist. He carried on a pen drive pictures he'd created over the last few years but he had no computer access and no way to get them. I said i'd take a look and the next day went into a shop and printed every single picture, paid f…

Sounds like a great start. When are you going fulltime with it? "It" being letting homeless people crash at your house all the time.

I won't be for a long time. I've just moved back into my disabled Mum's house which has 3 small bedrooms and 5 people. Cramped conditions but I work as much as possible on a social enterprise.

In a few years time I dream i'll be able to provide much more housing than space on my couch. There are alternatives to just giving housing.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by ashleyp »

veeti wrote: post #101
jacobush wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a MORAL HAZARD. That is not an ad-hominem. But seriously, I thought we all share the same planet and thus share the consequences.

Get real. The consequences (whether they are good or bad, I don't know) are obviously more relevant to those actually living in the country than those shouting what to do from the other side of the planet.

I think you're missing his point.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by powertower »

I really can't imagine anyone singing up for this except a few people.

The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population, to such an extent that even recent immigrants themselves want the doors shut.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by d9h549f34w6 »

roymurdock wrote: post #110

I think this is a great idea. It's easy to hate the concept of immigration and, by extension, the thought of millions of immigrants pouring into your home country. In fact, we're hardwired to have an aversion to this idea. Humans have always formed small units such as families or tribes in order to compete with other humans for limited resources. Immigrants are easily lumped together into a menacing tribe of competit…

If humans are hardwired to be averse to "millions of immigrants pouring into your home country," why is that? Presumably you're referring to that aversion being chosen by natural selection. That suggests that we're less likely to have been descended from those who were more open to displacement by outside populations, and more likely to come from those who guarded their borders. Societies that don't keep barriers are less likely to pass on their genes or memes to the future.

I'm assuming that the main difference between then and now is that an increase in resources means we can share freely with more "outsiders." Presumably resources aren't infinite, so what's the upper bound? How would we know?

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