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New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law

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Re: New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law

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Post by deciplex »

rayiner wrote: post #36
joesmo wrote: post #22

So they're criminalizing yet another everyday activity that hurts no one and is already protected by civil law. It seems to me the US and its puppet follower states just love the idea of criminalizing things that occur naturally, hurt no one, and in their enforcement and chaos bring in billions of dollars in profit off of ruining people's lives. This has now been the norm for almost two decades and the movie / music…

> At this point, piracy is the only ethical solution to obtaining such content, as giving these companies money is immoral and supports people who threaten and ruin people's lives for profit. I don't understand this rationale at all. Surely the solution to an industry whose business practices you don't like is to stop using their products . Indeed, your rationale is one reason why Hollywood has so much power. Piracy…

Get back to me when copyright isn't life + 70 fucking years, rayiner, and we can talk about to what degree those who disagree with the Hollywood stance on copyright enforcement mechanisms and cultural-appropriation strategies, have a moral responsibility to opt out of their own culture entirely.

We don't dispute the importance of what Hollywood et al do, we dispute the outsize leverage that gives them in our government and in our laws. And I don't think it is reasonable to expect people to give up a significant portion of their culture while fighting a battle that has, so far, spanned a few generations.

Re: New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law

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Post by nitrogen »

tptacek wrote: post #49
rayiner wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't pirating culture, they're pirating Mission Impossible. It's action-porn. It's a packaged entertainment-product. You're talking about peoples' right to food while defending their stealing Twinkies.

My favorite telling detail in this debate is the extent to which people pirate fonts. Fonts . Vanity letter shapes.

Vanity letter shapes.

Without commenting on the piracy of fonts, and as a non-designer myself, this is definitely a non-designer's perspective :-).

Re: New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law

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Post by singulaire »

anon4 wrote: post #75
mfoy_ wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What "right to access culture"? Last I checked there was no such thing. At least not remotely in the way you seem to mean it. Even if there was, it certainly wouldn't define culture solely as "Hollywood movies and pop music". Broaden your cultural horizons. Just like if you were to say "access to clean drinking water is my right", that wouldn't entitle you access to ALL clean drinking water. Just like "access to cult…

Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself…

Or to Mark Twain's estate, seeing as he actually wrote those words in the first place.

Re: New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law

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Post by 1971genocide »

err4nt wrote: post #48
antihero wrote: post #44

Why exactly are any governments agreeing to this shit?

I feel like we are watching the sovereignty of nations fade, and watching the baton pass to corporations. The US has invented this industry of Intellectual Property deliberately as a way to extract money from people by limiting their freedoms. As nations become less powerful and corporations become more powerful, the political landscape is shifting. I believe the US is creating the TPP to try to give as much of an ad…

There is no difference between the US govt and its multinationals.

Why the TPP is being moved so quickly is because of the rise of a competing set of multinationals in china.

I do not think the idea of a nation state is going to go away anytime soon - espeically when you have robust democracy like in germany,india and europe. Multinationals do not invest in education, infrastructure, low cost housing, etc.

The US became an exceptional nation mainly because of its actions in the past when they actually invested in their people that resulted in companies like GM,GE to come into existence in the first place. Now they are just trying to preserve their global hegemony without paying for it.

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Post by nbarAKL »

jpollock wrote: post #26

Copyright section: It seems to be giving everyone in the TPP area "Fair Use" rights. This is a HUGE positive change to Canada, NZ and Australia which haven't had that previously. [1] However, the TPM section will make every single citizen in New Zealand a criminal. You see, in NZ every DVD player is sold region-free. The salesperson will say "would you like that region free"? Not being stupid, everyone says "yes", an…

"You see, in NZ every DVD player is sold region-free."

I'm not sure what you're basing this on. I haven't seen region free DVD players being sold in NZ for the last couple of years.

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Post by TheGrimDerp1 »

mfoy_ wrote: post #71
joesmo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is my right to access culture, and it is my duty, if at all possible, to avoid supporting organizations that cause such pain and suffering in the world. I don't see what's so hard to understand about the fact that I don't want people going to jail and losing everything because they copied a song or movie and some company somewhere allegedly lost some fraction of a cent. I think access to culture is importa…

What "right to access culture"? Last I checked there was no such thing. At least not remotely in the way you seem to mean it. Even if there was, it certainly wouldn't define culture solely as "Hollywood movies and pop music". Broaden your cultural horizons. Just like if you were to say "access to clean drinking water is my right", that wouldn't entitle you access to ALL clean drinking water. Just like "access to cult…

Sousa held a very low opinion of the emerging and upstart recording industry. Using an epithet coined by Mark Twain,[8] he derided recordings as "canned music", a reference to the early wax cylinder records that came in can-like cylindrical cardboard boxes. In a submission to a congressional hearing in 1906, he argued:

Sousa in 1900, by Elmer Chickering. These talking machines are going to ruin the artistic development of music in this country. When I was a boy...in front of every house in the summer evenings, you would find young people together singing the songs of the day or old songs. Today you hear these infernal machines going night and day. We will not have a vocal cord left. The vocal cord will be eliminated by a process of evolution, as was the tail of man when he came from the ape. Law professor Lawrence Lessig cited this passage[41] to argue that in creating a system of copyrights in which control of music is in the hands of record labels, Sousa was essentially correct.

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Re: New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law

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Post by TheGrimDerp1 »

nitrogen wrote: post #39
rayiner wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point, piracy is the only ethical solution to obtaining such content, as giving these companies money is immoral and supports people who threaten and ruin people's lives for profit. I don't understand this rationale at all. Surely the solution to an industry whose business practices you don't like is to stop using their products . Indeed, your rationale is one reason why Hollywood has so much power. Piracy…

When effective cultural participation requires keeping up to date with at least some of Hollywood's products, choosing not to view/listen is the same as choosing to be just that much more socially disconnected. See Moxie Marlinspike's presentation about this concept applied to technology: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eG0KrT6pBPk When one oligopoly owns the vast majority of contemporary popular culture, we, the popula…

agree.

http://everythingisaremix.info/

Re: New Trans-Pacific Partnership Leak Means ‘Significant Overhaul’ for Canadian Law

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Post by tptacek »

pbsd wrote: post #56
rayiner wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point, piracy is the only ethical solution to obtaining such content, as giving these companies money is immoral and supports people who threaten and ruin people's lives for profit. I don't understand this rationale at all. Surely the solution to an industry whose business practices you don't like is to stop using their products . Indeed, your rationale is one reason why Hollywood has so much power. Piracy…

Arguing the frivolity of Hollywood movie piracy is not terribly hard. Would you apply the same reasoning to academic research paper and/or textbook piracy?

No. Those are real problems. But their solution has nothing to do with copyright law.

In both cases, the problems you're talking about are collusive relationships between academic institutions and publishers. Collusion is its own problem, and yours are just two examples out of many.

Schools shouldn't require textbooks that cost $120/copy, and they shouldn't pressure associate professors to publish in journals that charge exorbitant fees or refuse authors the right to re-post their own papers.

What we should not do is root-and-branch transform copyright law in the hopes that among all the disruption that creates, maybe something good will come out of it in academia.

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